Episode seventy of Radio Charanall conversation with Ramin Abreshimi
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In the seventieth episode of Radio Chaharnal, the host is in conversation with Ramin Abreshimi, the organizer of the national adult championship in 1404. Abreshimi points to the favorable conditions for holding the event and the facilities for riders and spectators, discussing the challenges of attracting spectators and the need to improve infrastructure. He emphasizes the importance of coordination with horse owners, careful oversight of the competitions, and reducing margins using surveillance cameras. Additionally, the localization of equestrian laws, doping issues, and the need for cultural development in this field are addressed. Abreshimi is concerned about the financial situation and the lack of sponsors, calling for stronger support from the private sector to promote equestrian sports. Finally, he mentions the behind-the-scenes efforts and the importance of collaboration in this industry, asking listeners to contribute to improving conditions with their feedback.
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In the name of God, hello and regards to all you dear listeners of Radio Charles. I am once again your guest with the seventieth episode of Radio Charnal. Personally, it is a great honor for me to have produced 70 episodes with different and great individuals of this sport for you dear ones. If it weren't for your support and kindness, continuing this path would certainly not have been very easy for me personally. I hope that with your comments, suggestions, and even criticisms, you will help make the path better and more up-to-date, ultimately leading to the advancement of all sectors of the horse and equestrian community. My guest in this episode is dear Ramin Abrishami, who was responsible for organizing the National Adult Championship event in 1404. As promised, we were supposed to discuss this event in detail and cover all its aspects and sidelines. We will have another episode from the 1404 National Champion section in the field of veterinary medicine, which I will also prepare and broadcast for you soon, God willing. I hope that with your feedback, you will help improve the content model. My colleagues in this episode are dear Farshid Jahanbazi, the designer of the Instagram cover and poster for this episode, dear Negini Goudarzi, and the lovely Erfan Moghaddam, the composers of the opening and closing music of the Radio Charnal episodes.
Well, I invite you to listen to this completely controversial episode.
Hello, and thank you for taking the time for the second time, and I'm glad you accepted this conversation. Remember, I mentioned earlier that we want to have a bit of a challenge together. I hope you are prepared. If you have any greetings, start so we can get to the main topic. Hello, good day to everyone. Yes, it's the second time we are at your service. I hope we have a good discussion and it goes well. More importantly, I hope it has results that the dear viewers and listeners enjoy or find useful. No, I'm really happy that you are very articulate and knowledgeable about the issues. Today, let's talk about the 1404 National Championship event. I conducted a survey on the page, and I'm very happy about this matter that you read everything and even discussed a small topic, and we reached some points that led to the recording of this program. Ramin, I want to ask the last question first as someone who has been, aside from being the organizer, the official organizer of the competition, as a horse owner who has been present in the fields for years, how do you see the 1404 event compared to other national champions? Look, we can't say generally. In fact, if we go into details, from the rider to the spectator, we had very good conditions this year. Compared to previous years, if our conditions were better, they weren't worse. Like last year, like the year before, our stables were the same size, good corridors, very good-sized boxes, very good access for riders to the arenas, the dimensions of our arenas were good, their bases were prepared. It took a week of work, the club spent time with specialists who came and went. That was also done well, and the spectators' access to the stands and the facilities provided for them. Well, we had this competition next to the Café Raees next to us. They made arrangements for the times when spectators were present. There was a food booth, a café booth, a person who played music, which was done well, and all these conditions were prepared for the competition. From my point of view, the competition was a good competition. The standard conditions we need for holding national championship competitions from the perspective of a horse owner who is responsible for organizing.
Well, the main owner means someone who has been in the competition for 30 years, right? If I'm not mistaken, 70, God bless your father, now it's been thirty-something years, 34 years. I'm asking as a spectator of equestrian competitions. Now we'll talk in detail about those details. Look, you're a football fan, right? Yes, we had a time when Azadi Stadium didn't have seats, it had 120,000 places, then it became 80-something with seats, the 12,000-seat hall is 12,000. With our club, everyone has space, and this space is limited. For a competition, to answer, I actually want to say that we can't make a strange plan for a round of competition that might have 1,700 people instead of 1,500, 800 people come. We have potential, and that potential is available to the spectator. But we have a duty to provide some facilities for them. In this competition, we put up a video wall, put seats so that if a stand doesn't have space, a space doesn't have space, the spectator can stand and see up close, at least on that monitor. That's why as a spectator, regardless of that official post about the competition organizer, the competition was acceptable.
Look, I can't think like a general spectator. I can think like a spectator for whom being in that collection is attractive. Even if I see the competition from a corner, it's attractive to me because I've come to see the biggest competition of the year. I haven't come there for a picnic, I haven't come to an amusement park, I haven't come to a concert to sit on a seat. I've come to see the horse jumping competition, the biggest event in the country, with all the excitement it has. Besides, I'm a main person, so I know how the conditions are. Right, well, let's go into the different parts. One of the challenges this year that many people both on the radio and there, well, as someone who was basically interested and has seen almost all the national champions in the last 24-25 years, was the issue of spectator seating space compared to the volume of spectators. I think it's the third year you're organizing the national champion, right? Directly the third year of the organizing committee, yes. As a person who practically had the responsibility of organizing the event, you know that on the final day, there is a large volume, and in the last five years, we have had a significant increase in non-main spectators.
Let's see if you've had this experience. Why didn't you think about the audience seating before holding the event? So, let's go back to the first point I mentioned. Look, our club has a limited space. Even Nowruz Abad, which might have more space than its benches, is also limited. When I say "we," I mean I'm speaking on behalf of all riding clubs. We can't suddenly increase the club's seating capacity to 2000 or 3000 seats for a competition or a final round, or even on the final day. Last year, we took this risk during the test, and we accepted the risk. Setting up scaffolding is a big risk itself. We accepted this risk, did it, but still, some were dissatisfied. The year before, we did the same, and again, some were dissatisfied. Look, I have a saying from a dear friend, who has been a very good friend for years. He used to say, "Neither your ideal society, nor you are ideal for society." We can never have 100% agreement and consensus from society...
We should consider measures. I talked to you on the phone that day. Look, our discussion is that we must first address our cultural roots and carry out cultural activities. For example, suggesting that we number the seats and sell them is a good idea. If we number and sell them, and you come to the door and say, "Sir, we won't give you the seat number," fine. It doesn't matter to me; I want to come and see.
There are solutions that we must first provide the infrastructure for. Look, providing this infrastructure requires a series of multiple factors and planning that should perhaps be done six months in advance. Meaning, for example, a club should now know for the year 405 that Mr. Club X, you Club Y, you are the organizer of the national championship. Know now what you want to do. When this changes, even knowing it, you face limitations. You say we shouldn't sell tickets, fine, we won't sell tickets, but how can we convince that?
Someone who comes to the door, we can't say, "Get a ticket." If, for example, a club has 1200 seats, we say, "Sir, we sold 1200 seats." Well, what do we do with the overlooking spaces? Bravo, we say we sold 1500 to 1700. Correct, for example, now how many, now how do we know how many seats, meaning how many extra people, we shouldn't let extra people in. Those extra people are all experts in this field. I didn't say don't let them in. Look, last year at 11 o'clock, the Azmoon club was closed. I was there at eight in the morning. The person knew what to do until 12:30, wherever they wanted to go, to watch the live broadcast, they had time.
The electric pole I went to the competition has the potential for a large rush. Meaning, in addition to the seats you are allowed to fill, the natural grassy platform itself has a large number of people standing around it. Moreover, the competition sponsor came, and I think placed about 200 seats or something like that. We provided these facilities, but we certainly can't satisfy everyone. Meaning, look.
Professionally, whether as a rider, organizer, sheriff, or judge, they knew you have this challenge. Well, even with information dissemination, it couldn't be said, "Sir, what do I know, for example, why because you had this experience." If it's someone's first time, it's their first time, you're a professional in the field, and you could see I'm discussing a series of.
The entrance itself is a challenge. Sir, a hand wave, and it's thrown. We closed it before, but we respect the sport and the audience who loves horses. A horse lover comes once to create a good memory.
One of the very important issues that I completely agree with is that we don't have that space, we can't have this provision for one day, at least if that numbering exists, a different ticket price, all ticket sales with something. Because remember last year, we had a challenge at the club's door. Well, two people with two blood cards, a long queue. Meaning last year, not 41.
Last year, something like this was outside the parking lot, but people were in line to pay, I say look, first of all, the IT infrastructure is important. This is one, second, the cultural aspect is important. We now have to see that we must take this risk to have this dispute, this objection that behind the door, "Sir, such and such is interested in the field, such and such is our veteran."
A dear one who came from the county didn't have access, couldn't get it, and now came to the door, what should we do with them, we have to give them that too. Right now, many times our riders suddenly, for example, get stuck in registration, saying, "I don't know, I entered this code, it didn't read." We say, "Sir, you have to enter this, you have to enter it this way." Look, that requires a lot of work, meaning it's a time-consuming process and requires precise planning, it's not that easy. Moreover, when you definitely went to a concert, definitely went to a stadium, definitely went to a stadium, you get a bit, look Mohsen, in these years that you organized, I've been for five years, meaning in 99, I entered a year, you held in Mashhad.
In these 5 years that the federation and Sadra test competitions were held, now that I'm serving at Bam club, I've organized over 60 competitions, I worked with Morteza Zakari and Abbas Mohajer, I thank them because I learned a lot, now in fact, my temperament was much closer to Abbas, anyway, maybe it was a bit more, our handwriting, we can't satisfy everyone, meaning we work very hard and try a lot, but unfortunately, the effort is not seen at all. Correct, meaning our dear audience friends focus on things that maybe aren't even part of.
The issue of the sausage plan that has a lot of harm with a soda that has worldwide harm, you buy 340 50 national championship competitions, look before this interview we chatted together, now Azadi Stadium, how much does it charge for its seat. I saw 43 on one of these sites, I entered that the price was listed opposite the road 250 tomans, and the person comes three hours before, comes and sits. Look, it's a competition, after all, there's a queue, you have to buy a ticket to come, well, that's unavoidable, but in that part where we have to think about the audience, I agree with you.
Open it up, help now that the federation hasn't reached that stable condition yet, unfortunately, until December 5th when the elections are held, and this ship that has run aground comes out of the mud, goes back into the water, comes out of the mud into the sea, but for next year, for the next competitions, we must think about it, certainly, this now before I talked, these two sparks came to my mind, certainly for next year, if God willing, I'm alive, I'm going to organize, the first thing we'll do is definitely sell seats, meaning I think one of the.
His starts are that we begin selling the chair, we need to define the space, and certainly, better events will happen next year. Now, God willing, let's go this far and see what happens, the task will be determined. Well, Ramin, now we are here discussing the audience. My main discussion has always been in this field, that interest and passion.
The first one that was held, the club's low accounts were chosen for Bam, and in any case, the club, with all its capacity and merit, has its own method and issue. I have repeatedly seen people walking around the area in this method, and we did not choose down. Look, well, first of all, I want to thank Omid Khaleghi and also the owners of Bam Club. You know yourself when you are a horse owner and enter a club, you have a pension with a rented stable, it's like a house, the horse's home blood. Well, they cooperated significantly with us.
Moving horses, I mean, I want to say that I really want to explain a little further about these topics. This competition that we see and friends see, is not. Certainly, dear ones who work in the field of horses and friends who have organized it, know that coordinating with owners, moving horses, and emptying boxes is a time-consuming and very long process. This year, what happened was that considering the number of boxes that were actually empty in the upper stable, the preference was for us to be in the upper stable because everything was accessible, and we had two upper arenas.
And besides, the riders' access was easier, and it was a bit quieter. We even predicted that if possible and we wanted to go down at some point, we would open the lower door, which Mr. Khaleghi also took the trouble to order, and in fact, the maintenance team did this work. They also built the lower door and put a ramp and opened it so that we could go from there, but in the end, we reached the upper stables. In my opinion, the conditions were very good. Not because of that method, I say that now in my opinion, considering that now from a price perspective, that price discussion is one side, and the care discussion, one or two good speeds of eating, and I might even have to, but now, thank God, it passed well. But essentially, those lower stables, in my opinion, which means horse work, were more logical. Well, the conditions must be prepared, but I really understand that wanting to try so hard and ask them and satisfy them. I look at the child and maybe I won't be satisfied, now he goes, his place changes, and he falls to the end. I also accept this, but I say I wish it was the lower stable, at least for the movement of horses.
The slope is steep, repeatedly the club's own horses come and go. Other people's horses, however, some incidents may happen that are not actually related to that method. Maybe a routine state. Who would have thought that Reza Haji's horse would get stuck? The club is not at fault, the horse ate in the morning, slept, got stuck. Well, this happened. I want to say look.
These are incidents that we cannot say actually lead to major accidents. No, something that might slip anywhere. You yourself ride a horse, you go for a ride, suddenly it puts its foot. Yes, it's true, but I say we, as someone who works with horses, should actually keep the safety discussion more. I'll speak Persian, well Ramin, a topic that you have been dealing with for several years and this year it had a bit more margin than others, was the oversight of the chiefs and why now a number of cameras, for example, should be rented or 100% monitoring that this margin.
As they say, it should not become thick and not lead to psychological inflammation between the rider and I don't know the disciplinary committee and these stories. For example, we have two halls, for example, now these two halls, for example, need 10 cameras to rent, all boxes should be specified with a camera, someone should monitor there, not the sheriff to come and go, such care that this margin is reduced. Well, we had thought about it. Yes, I thought about it a lot, but when with my friends who work in border competitions, Sina Ajdari from Sinal, I tell you why Mohsen Zakeri and now our master Mr. Ali Mohajeri do not monitor anywhere in the world.
There is no such thing as putting a camera so that no one goes into the box and injects something, we don't have such a thing. We have doping tests, after all, veterinarians target, take random samples, take from positions, if it has doped, its test will come out. We don't have anything like that. Riders themselves come and put cameras, they are also allowed to put cameras, only their own horse in case of an accident.
The organizer wants to come for the competition, for example, I don't know, put 100 cameras, 100 box cameras, after all, something that we take the drug discussion, it is not necessary to do this. Then, for example, what do we want to prove? Well, there is always a margin. Unless now, for example, some people say that, for example, his horse was doped, these words. Of course, now let's not name it. Now one of his horses, for example, doping in taking good, but I myself have seen many times many people inject.
They walk. You can't now in any competition later confirm my article. Maybe the sheriff who actually went abroad, participated, worked, ask. You can't have the sheriff at the horse in any competition at all, which is against. I mean, the rider can reprimand you, pull you. You came a little forward, disrupted my mental order. What do you want to do in front of my horse, you circle around and go. But I have seen sheriffs many times.
Many of the sheriff's kids who were there, came and stood in a way that you want to do something, we are here. It's acceptable, this is also culture. We have 20 horses, a person doesn't need to do this. This is the world's discussion, everything we have is not like anywhere else in the world.
Nowhere in the world with all other issues, when we go and buy an expensive professional horse, when we buy the best saddle in the world, when we have the best supplements and drugs, when our trainers are moving forward with modern knowledge and after all, they consider themselves professional in this field, which they certainly are, so how is everything here like the world, the rules are like the FBI, our horse jumps are like this, our arena distances, our route design, everything we have is like the world. Why is it that where it is actually not in our favor, where we want to create a margin and cannot create it, well it doesn't work. We either have to say we are completely separate from the world.
We have national rules, bravo national rules, national rules are another discussion, another topic where you localize a series of rules based on the conditions you have in your country. For example, I don't know this, I'm quoting what I've heard. Germany, for instance, doesn't have two caps, it has three caps. It allows you to continue up to a certain height with three caps. See, that localization of a series of rules is aimed at improving the process of horse jumping in their country, that's another discussion. But this discussion, for example, we say why don't we install cameras.
It's not necessary. We have doping tests. Now, many inject, the doctor doesn't come in the ranking. I've seen a rider inject to jump, the veterinarian bypassed the doping collar. I mean, see now, the trap is no longer enough, especially in championship competitions, big competitions don't suffice with the top ranks of the competition. I think we took several competitions. I think we took five to six. Five to six negative answers came, I heard.
But well, they both targeted and took random samples. Let me say something honestly now. The time has passed when you and I, now I myself used to ride, we used to ride, you would inject something, and even then it might not have shown up. Science has advanced so much, medicines have become so updated, and our veterinarians and riders have become so knowledgeable that they know what medicine to use with what dosage. If you see something comes out, it's not because of the medicine, it's perhaps because of the treatment duration that it came out.
For example, if it was supposed to leave the body three days later, due to a series of chemical reactions, for instance, it stayed in the body for four days before it was expelled. At least I saw this in one of my close friends who said it stayed in the body for seven days and went to the competition on the ninth day, and his test was positive. I mean, I want to say science has advanced so much, and now it's very naive to pursue catching someone for injecting. If someone wants to inject, no one can catch them.
I mean, you know yourself, we all know, an injection is taken or something happens. It actually goes back to that lack of speed where everyone is so professional. Besides, now it's very rarely seen that injections are done because they are not after that stress. Now, this discussion.
Putting aside the injection of the person, the needle itself gives stress to the horse. When someone has a horse that is expensive, instead of buying the paste, they buy the injection, the margins increase, and a series of talks and rumors about a series of issues that were with each other and this team was with that and these stories. Anyway, the suggestion that came to my mind is that simple monitoring with ten cameras can be done in a week and can be prevented. In my opinion, now you say it's not necessary, but I say these margins have always been there.
And these events happen. Every group that works, some others get upset. They may want to say something for any reason, but I've worked so much over these years that my ears are no longer receptive. Quality is very important to me. The place for the horse, the worker's place, the rider's access to the horse, the quality of the manege, the accommodation of workers from other clubs.
And this itself is a challenge for the workers. Honestly, these kids are so passionate that they stay under any circumstances. Now imagine if there was a space that was a bit more organized and orderly. Fifteen of them in a neat and orderly room, I've seen for several years, they pitch tents and the kids sleep on the grass. Yes, see, actually these kids who are the main caretakers and work hard, well, usually all of them like to be in the room of their friend wherever they are.
Some who are more strangers or prefer not to be in the room pitch tents. But we have arranged a place for them this year as in previous years where they can pitch tents so that they are not in view and it is more comfortable for them. Anyway, both the bathroom was accessible to them and their place was a place. In fact, they were both close to the horses and not in view. But I say this again goes back to the fact that maybe in the coming years this will happen and we can move towards having a club dedicated to competitions.
I can say with certainty that we do not have this potential in any club to host an event because they have a discussion about events. I have this competition club. I have ten competitions a year, and all these things you say must be provided. But when this doesn't happen and clubs actually hold competitions, I don't know of any club right now that has the capacity to, for example, have a space or room for sixty horses and sixty workers. We had an hour at Mahak if I'm not mistaken, it was CSI, this was done by Mr. Siam Mansouri.
Provide, but in fact, this possibility is not feasible due to the conditions our club has, and it certainly isn't unless one day we reach a point where we become so good and the industry advances so much that there is a club like everywhere else in the world dedicated to competitions, or we have a portable system that.
We gather everyone and go spread out somewhere, set up our fences, and gather again. It's very good to come out of this club system and go to lunging. They close the middle of the city and spread the obstacle. They hold the entire Olympic venue in the palace. Lunging goes to Miami Beach and sets up by the shore. Well, yes, we have to get there, but we are very far away. Yes, I hope we reach at least. Well, one of the issues this year that was very.
The first day of the championship, the day before the first, meaning the arrival of the horses, caused a lot of controversy. Discussion and I want to see you in this area, now I know you are responsible with the veterinary committee and these stories, but I want to see those who go there for any reason and go into the holding phase and I don't know those events and these things, there was a series of disturbances that were not worthy of equestrian sports. Will these be followed up so that next time a veterinarian dares to come and stand? I'm asking from experience, write it down there as the organizer.
You will be informed about the rest of the issue. I mean, informing the organizer, what measures do you take so that next time another veterinarian can also give a dissenting opinion? See, we have a very big problem in our society, which is very big in all sections as well. Now, if there is an opportunity, we will refer to it. We have a very detailed discussion in the coaching section alongside the discussion of spectators standing, which perhaps does not fit in this article. A cultural discussion.
In fact, we need to reach the point where we accept an opinion, whether wrong or right, and how this might not apply to the equestrian community either. Certainly, we see it in society as well. It has often happened to me that I have entered a no-entry area. I said this is a discussion that exists at all levels of society. This year, we witnessed an event. Well, this is not my expertise at all, neither is it my place to give an opinion. However, it was the first year that we had a number of, I think, more than five horses rejected in the initial check.
Veterinarians must give their opinion, which is specialized. But as far as I have heard and seen, well, the opinion of the veterinary commission, whether right or wrong, they must actually state their reasons for why it was so and whether they should say it or not. But the objection that arose, we must accept it anyway. Because I myself went to a competition for a national championship beyond what.
Non-horse viewers watch this program, costs are incurred, time is spent, and attention is paid for the very reason that its sensitivity is much higher than ordinary competitions. Because it is this horse that wants to compete for the national championship. At least, at least three months in advance, it has been on vitamins, yes, exactly, it has been in camp. Well, certainly, the sensitivity is high for this reason, and perhaps an event might occur where you sometimes get angry or upset, or a discussion arises.
But a veterinarian who is confident in their work will certainly not be worried about whether I will reject you in the next competition or not. The technical veterinary discussion is separate from that story and that talk and story is not worthy of veterinarians. I have really personally seen scenes and the kids were protesting. Now, since you are an international sheriff, if I am not mistaken, you are international, let's see if the veterinary opinion is also objectionable, I have heard it is not, you should ask them anyway, objection.
Nowhere in the world is the final opinion the opinion of the veterinary commission, and there is no discussion about it, and why it has been approved or not, in fact, it is their opinion, and there is no objection to it because at that moment, the veterinarian may have seen something that from his point of view might be a limp, maybe his opinion is not correct, I don't know, the veterinarian himself should say, but as far as I know and my knowledge allows, there is no objection, but well, anyway, you must object, you have the right to object.
Now, certainly, you either get justified and accept it, or you don't get justified and don't accept it, but well, now, in my opinion, objecting is formal or not, in the rules of the International Equestrian Federation, objecting to the veterinarian's opinion is formal or not, as far as I know, no, but well, certainly, dear veterinarians can better, but as far as I know, no, objecting to the veterinarian's opinion cannot be managed in any way, like, I don't know, in a space or even in international laws, we see quarantine, for example, that this talk only the rider himself comes and stands, not everyone can see, but you behind.
You can't stand at the end of the line, you are not allowed to film, what you see in the film may be very different from what you see live, you may see a delay in the film that you don't see in the normal state, if I am not mistaken, filming is not a problem, well, Ramin this year.
Because for the health of the horse and observing that rest and recovery time between rounds and these stories, there was an almost three-hour gap between your rounds on both the second and third days, up to three hours, but a story that two years ago at the club they tested a strategy, now the spectators didn't lose their place, I wasn't worried about the place, this year no so-called entertainment program was defined, and very much up to the first person three hours.
Entertainment competition, I don't know, equestrian jumping competition, something that now produces entertainment, then there was no program for an hour, just music was playing, it wasn't very pleasant, to be honest, it wasn't very satisfying, the volume of sound, the type of music, in my opinion, this year was somewhat different from the previous year or the year before.
I mean, as much as the horse's rest is important to me, I know what impact it has on the rider's work quality, especially a horse that has jumped 4 rounds 1 2 3 4 rounds and needs that recovery so that at least that dough it is eating takes effect, keeps its tire, it was very important to me, well, we considered this two and a half hours, but this year we actually came with the help of the sponsor's plan, they set up a series of booths to actually give people the opportunity to visit the booths.
They put chairs so they could rest there, now have their coffee, drink, or food, this space was provided, a dear one had come and was playing music, and now, but many were happy and very satisfied with that model, we went a little differently, but I also accept that other programs can be done, but the programs must be such that we don't mess with the combination because the last round is so important.
That those mounted sports that come and ruin it, even last year or the year before when we did this, it was somewhat challenging our work, that they don't keep turning around an obstacle, if you remember, we said, sir, go up there, the test should be where the horse's turn is not much, that the arena is now together, but why I accept this, honestly, something can be done, a program, now I don't know, musical, music, a game or things like this, why it can be done, one of the things that I find very attractive in my mind is the pull competition.
The show gets ruined, not the body club, sir, draw 10 to 20 arrows there, draw alone, now give a prize afterward, it has a good excitement in the opinion of the spectators, we now have to cook something that the volume of spectators of other competitions doesn't come, now I don't know for whatever reason, there is no desire or interest, now traffic, a thousand issues, I mean, a thousand roots itself, but a champion, this national champion, is the symbol of the country's riding jump, so a little more comprehensive than routine competitions.
Let me say in a footnote, I am very much in favor of criticism, constructive criticism, everyone says it has no effect, you stay at that level, right, let's go to the topic, let me use a very wordy term, I mean something that in our equestrian system, in my opinion, personally, has become stale, the topic of uh.
It is really necessary because look, the last person in the competition jumps, the place is empty, this reality, now let's shorten it attractively, do you think it is so long, is it necessary at all, see, I mean, let me say bluntly, awarding jewelry has become the production of a photo album, the reality is this, well, then an event that has happened in these few years, I have seen a lot.
The horse owner, whoever it is, first takes a photo with his horse, now the security doesn't give it to him, which in my opinion is the right thing, it gets crowded there, but this volume of people that we don't even know, give a prize, where in the sport, the guest of Mr. House puts tea in front of every event, give a prize.
Equestrianism has so many champions and figures that, for example, a person doesn't necessarily have to be a national veteran champion to be seen as a better horseman. I mean, if I were to organize, Mr. Mahter, from your father's side, we saw European competitions where a lady and a gentleman take a three-person framed photo and say goodbye. Now, let's open a soda for each other in a different ceremony.
Isn't it better? You see, this is one of the challenges that at least I and others like to have in organizing. First of all, as one of the friends in the meeting said, we have a committee that organizes with three types of sponsors who have come to sponsor the competition. They must give a prize; we can't say they don't. Another type returns to political figures, which may return to the club's management system because these people need to be covered.
When does this happen? When can we, like everywhere else in the world, reach a point where we claim to be the world? We return to the cultural discussion from a while ago. We need to reach that culture, which means we should elevate ourselves to the point where, in a competition, two people win a prize. Even in the UAE, you see two or three people, a commander or their secretary comes, and it's the same in Europe.
We need to get there. You see, some things are not in my hands, nor in the hands of my colleagues, nor in the hands of security. The organizer cannot impose this; whose authority is it really? Neither I nor any organizer can say no, for example, this sponsor was not there before. In reality, there are some federation members.
I have a table that everyone who has worked with me has seen. I have this table, and I know, but I do this in cup competitions. If you have noticed, other dear competitors do this too. In many cup competitions, at least my team does this. Excuse my colloquial speech. I am not Ramin Abrisham; my whole team works in such a way that we have a list, and in all cup competitions...
Only throughout the event, except for the final, two people give prizes. Either a judge comes, or we give the prize to two people, and it wraps up quickly. On the final day, if we have a sponsor, the sponsor gives the prize with an official, and we haven't added any extra individuals. However, on the final day, we have a challenge that requires collective effort. It doesn't matter if two people give the prize, but this is not in my hands, Masoud. I can't do this; see, this permission...
Like judging, I have always said that maybe it's a flaw that we don't have a regulation for holding competitions in this model that can be precisely implemented. Now, in all competitions, the number of final days is high, but we need to reach a point where we accept that if I have a certain position and am a guest of a certain person, I don't necessarily have to come and give a prize and take a photo. See, that's not in our hands; it goes back to a system that tells us this is a good implementation idea, and we really need to set up a regulation.
Well, see, setting up a regulation, now that I am working as the head of the competition committee, I am serving the community. Yes, the draft of this regulation has been prepared, and I will definitely put it in the committee in the next couple of days.
Add an edit to see if, for example, it is accepted that only the federation president comes to give the cup and only the competition sponsor gives the prize to these two people, or not, or they say no, for example, it must... not about giving money, I mean as a sponsor, we have another discussion. We need to see that, well, the sponsor must also be seen. The sponsor hasn't come to spend money just to...
Not be. Well, the sponsor has spent money; everywhere in the world, I think they take a photo at the award ceremony, but now we have issues with the number. The CEO takes a photo and has put up his advertisement.
If we reach a point of interaction and intellectual advancement that this competition is not meant for everyone to go into the arena, that good thing will definitely happen. Neither I nor any of my colleagues who work in this field agree with having so many people because this presence of so many people also challenges us, as Omid Tahvilian said, or dear black-clad ones in the meeting.
All our efforts in a quarter of an hour, everything either gets ruined or goes well. No one sees anything. See, we keep saying we have issues, meaning we need to reach that cultural perfection. We keep saying over the loudspeaker, please, no one extra should come into the arena, and yet they come again. Well, what should we do if security stops them, it becomes disrespectful to security, if we say okay, let them stand there, we want to take a step beyond this. Now, the Bam club, due to its position, has made two platforms in front of the main entrance.
We keep saying, please, for the sake of your mother, your child, don't stand here. We have a commission, meaning I stood in a competition in the west of the country, put my foot on the railing, and said come on, this doesn't need to be said. This platform is for the coach. Where in the world does someone stand like a doorman and say you come, you don't? Well, we need to learn this.
Where in the world do you see a coach shouting to move your foot forward, take it back? It has a penalty, penalize it. Well, this is what I want to say, see, even if we penalize, the story might escalate. See, I want to say something, we need to reach that culture. I say on competition day, I myself jumped, I myself was in the arena. Sir, that day is my exam day; I have to go and take the test. Which advisor, which professor tells you, I say, not your thesis, your defense says that two X's, not two X's, that three X's, four should.
Someone announces what you get in the course, doesn't announce in such and such sport, sir, you went to wrestling, doping, global doping hits, we want to say missile secrets, what do I know, secrets.
Sir, that rider is expelled, meaning if the chief judge heard or the sheriff radioed, sir, this has a penalty in the rules, we penalize too, it's not the sanctity of wrestling that equestrianism, you don't see anywhere in the world, I remember in '08 they mocked us, Iranians, if the professor is very bad, you don't see anywhere in the world how, as you say, our saddle is the top band in the world, our riding clothes when we get there.
Go, kill, come on, this is very ugly, and I say, sir, as the organizer, this has happened. Now we are in what I say, of course, I am present in the comments only as someone who helps in the competition organizing section alongside the jumping committee, but the jumping committee approved the law.
And they set a fine, a number for the fine, which is significant, and when you get fined once, you definitely won't do it the second time. Because before this, according to the rules, they said, sir, as much as the registration fee for the category, and many times they told me how much the 8th category was, but I agree with you, even in America, where they say the law is enforced, if there is no law, there is a lot of lawlessness. We saw what they did in Congress, where the law is strict, in Europe, there is no cultural work, but in some places.
The fine has been approved, and its number is large. Certainly, once fined, it won't come back, but let's come to our senses a bit. How much fine, how much brake, brake, brake, enough already. One day, the seatbelt was fined, now everyone fastens their seatbelt. We claim to be a civilized society, so show it, I'm very mixed with culture.
Our police play, a lot of force is spent on this issue. I talked, in talking, sir, don't do it, sir, don't come, then you have to keep telling the guy. Then see, something happened in the kids' championship that really made me so angry I wanted to throw the kid down from above. Imagine a teenage kid being told to come down, well, where do I say stand? I don't know where this is from.
Organizing such competitions, well, what should this 12-13-year-old kid return to, then I, at 50 years old, see what I should say, what should I tell this kid? Well, this should be dealt with at home, not that I go and father him. Yes, I said come, go, come, go, son, come, go, I want to say that, see, you won't believe this word, I am a very calm person, very bad-tempered at work, all the kids around me know, but I am very patient because I learned this. Let me say this once.
Mehran Kazem, the year it was held in Mashhad, you must, yes, keep your eyes on the donut. You don't have a total during the competition. Yes, you are right. After it's over, you shouldn't create a challenge in the competition. He is right, and I learned this and have no argument with anyone. But well, a quarter of an hour, twenty minutes, everything falls apart. In all this effort, a kid who is inexperienced and unaware, yes, he is young, but I think some rules of that period should be reviewed and enforced. I say now, with a voice, hear, sir, someone is doping, his name is in.
Give an opinion, send blessings, the talk of fighting is in place. Well, Ramin, how much was the first prize? 120, 100 tomans? It was 12, I think 100 tomans. Yes, it's not a small amount for this event.
The national championship event is the biggest event in the country. What is actually behind the scenes of the national championship competitions, that cafe, that medal with a number, and the aspects and margins and many incomes behind it. That's why it can't be provided with a number. That's why I think we don't really discuss the number, for example, we accept the championship and its status, but.
Anyway, sir, an effort has been made, the horses have a very high price, they jump in that event with hope. It's true that the event is big, but my argument is that considering the cost of horses and their prices, I don't know, the added values that are affected by the dollar in society are laughable. I mean, our expense is not the horse. Don't you think we should move towards making the prizes.
More substantial? Look, if I want to speak realistically, why should many of our things be different? Our technical staff's fees should be very different. Well, the answer is in the same order of registration. But we are facing many problems even in these minimums. In the execution discussion, I don't really know if wealthy institutions enter our sport. We never have a sponsor, the competition is like this, and we fall. I think half of the competitions are senseless and exciting because the prizes are low. If you put a car.
Every competition that has had a car, every height fills with people because its name is an exciting prize. As I don't remember which cup it was this year, they said, sir, the first horse prize was 250 tomans, it was a Volvo, which we had before, not the Olga cup. Olga was 200 tomans, 200 tomans was the first prize. Finally, excitement should go in that direction. I agree that it should happen, but because we are a society that is actually turning itself. We have no budget from anywhere, and with 100% help from the private sector.
We fell by 20%, 100% ready. We are moving forward with the private sector. Yes, it can be increased if we have stronger sponsors, and the stronger sponsor discussion is that the sponsor may not be in a good economic condition now. We are now chain-linked. First, we are not comparable to any field. We have two stadiums, one of which is a horse. Yes.
Perhaps, for example, this 100 million toman prize, if you put it in tennis competitions for the first place, it would be very attractive. Right, if you put it in volleyball competitions, it just came to my mind. Why? Because it's different. We actually have an athlete whose cost is more than the rider. Yes, in fact, as you say, he is his driver, like a Benz that you and I are behind, the oil in the gasoline may be more expensive than the lunch you and I eat. That's why we can't help it with the prize, and in this part, unfortunately, we are very behind the modern world because they have a sponsor that is beyond imagination.
You see Longines, the former sponsor, Longines, see Rolex comes anyway, many companies and institutions are there that 500 million, a billion is nothing for them. However, the root and management of this story, I feel, is not from the organizer's side, I mean, now the federation, the board, whoever it is, or the negotiator who goes from the federation's side, any board brings them into work, a.
Organize a space so that they come into this space to avoid taxes, saying we went and spent unknowingly because television doesn't show us. I mean, the general public knows equestrianism by the sea. Well, a number of competitions, for example, we ourselves now have on the page and it circulates, these words may not reach the audience we should catch as a big sponsor supporter to invest in sports at all. See, we have a problem that we have been dealing with for several years, that our federation is being run by a caretaker, which I also.
In a way, I am running an economic enterprise because my work is agriculture and animal husbandry. As long as I am dealing with, for example, the head of the Agricultural Jihad, they cannot meet my demands because neither that poor person knows how long they will be there, nor can I dare to implement policies that might be completely overturned. The misfortune is that our overall model is such that our macro policies are constantly changing, meaning at least what we see is that when a minister is replaced, all their directors are also replaced, which is naturally correct.
Our problem that has gripped us for several years now is that when there is an interim head, they cannot plan verbally, nor can a sponsor plan. When they know a president has come who will be there for four years, they say, "Mr. President, I want to invest this much, I have this much tax exemption, now I will make three deals with you annually." This is from the sponsor, and then the president knows how to plan, saying, "Sir, if, for example, you leave the competition, come and do a competition for this or that." The conditions change a lot. I hope, God willing, this year the Ministry of Sports will continue their efforts.
God willing, the fifth election will be held, and we will come out of this disarray so that we can help keep this wheel turning because if this happens, we are all seeing that this cycle is slowing down day by day compared to the future. Well, one of my last questions, in fact, if you have anything else, please add it. You are also a member of the Jumping Committee as an organizer, and what I heard this year was that the competition course design was based on a vote.
Someone else was involved, and the sponsor changed everything at the last moment. I have a lot of respect for them. Is this possible, meaning anyone who comes and pays should also have a say in the technical system of the competition, meaning their opinion is in line with the technical committee's view? No, look, it's not about the technical committee. The issue here is that according to the rules in the federation, championship competitions are actually named by the committees except for.
The championship cup competitions are actually organized by the organizer like everywhere else in the world. Just as you see everywhere, teams themselves, but the championships are arranged by the committees, and the committee's song was that Mr. Rapour should be there. Just as the main committee had heard that I had given him a very high vote. Then they came, and the sponsor, as they say, was right. I'm talking about the committee's discussion, other committees arrange it, and the route design committee.
The map was chosen by the Jumping Committee, and there is no opinion in this part of the discussion. Now, in this matter that I am saying, the committees choose, the discussion is that the committees choose. For example, if the Judges Committee wants to choose a clatter, it is not within the Judges Committee's domain. There, too, the design committee had chosen the route. Well, does the Jumping Committee give an opinion or not? There was no vote based on the fact that the final vote was good, the committee's choice, which last year the Jumping Committee chose because we didn't have a route song committee, but it was formed this year. Add the committee head, nothing special, just thank you very much. But at the bottom, I want to say something, please, the effort that the kids put into organizing the competition, gentlemen and ladies, from the whole team, all the officials, whether veterinarian or route designer, clatter clatter judge, even the logistics kids, the club staff, are all working so sincerely, the number is so laughable.
That really if you bring labor from the street, their income is higher. Then these people are technical people, people who are interested and have gone to study this matter, their certificates, if you calculate them in very large numbers in euros, maybe now to get an ordinary certificate, a first-degree international one, it costs you at least 300-400 million tomans. And these people are respectable people. Each of them in their position in their personal life is someone who is a holding manager, an institution manager, very prominent, very respectable people. If they come here and stand, it is because of love and interest, let us be kinder to each other.
Let's not constantly seek personal settlements, please. Those small flaws that, from my point of view, some things that are not even worth discussing, let's not highlight them so much, let's not constantly try to put pressure on people, please. Those parts that are working so hard, those boxes that are being prepared, or that team that plans to hold competitions throughout the year, let's respect them. If these people are not there, and our dear owners are not there, and the clubs are not there, be sure that this document will definitely be out of the cycle much sooner than you think.
And people like me whose job is something else and this is actually their love and interest, we will not suffer. Those who will suffer are those who are actually trying and working for their daily sustenance. So let's take more care of each other and be kinder to each other. Be sure that there is no news, this chair is not meant to stay for me, and this chair does not give me power and honor, it is my spirit that makes me great. No, the reality is that when I make a program, the discussion is not to challenge you or anyone who comes, my first goal is not at all the nation, meaning the people, in fact, the audience of Radio Four.
We talk about informational awareness and even culture, someone should go and listen and say, "Sir, for example, why shouldn't we take a job because wherever we go, we blame the federation, the federation organized it, the club manager did it this way," but the reality is that we are raising the issue so that a new solution emerges, so now you, Ramin Abrishami, organize a competition tomorrow, whether it's a big competition or any championship, with an understanding of these things, or for example, my listener, this part of the work, I can take responsibility for, I can, for example, design on the site, this has definitely happened to me a lot, the issue is just because.
Ultimately, education and learning in the radio audience in equestrian matters, and that you consider yourself accountable to me, who is a specialized media, and you are not supposed to answer, and you come and honor me personally, it is very valuable to me, and I hope this culture is in everyone, that we say, "Sir, no, I have to talk to you, no one talks to me here, we talk for the equestrian audience, thank you for taking the time, I have to thank Hossein Shi for preparing the Instagram space, thank you very much. God willing, the next competitions will be held more powerfully, and thank you."
Goodbye to the fact that we are all working hard to stay, but if I agreed to talk to you, which is also a pleasure, it's because I really want some events that happen and are not seen, in fact, most people are in the loop because people always see the surface of the issue, but behind the scenes, it's very important that behind the camera, this team from the federation to that security guard at the club entrance, everyone is trying to make that happen, definitely a team of seven or eight people truly.
Last year, I was more involved in the matter, but anyway, I know that it has its own difficulties, its coordination, its follow-ups, and everyone, well, finally won't be satisfied, it's a reality, but hats off to you and well done, and God willing, the next competitions will be better. I hope you enjoyed listening to this conversation and help with your comments so that I can produce more forward-looking content and, as a result, reach that higher goal, which is the progress of all of us in this industry. Hats off to all of you, take care of your horses.