Episode fifty-two of Radio Chahar Nal, part two of the conversation with Dr. Iraj Norouzian.

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In episode 52 of Radio Chaharnal, Dr. Iraj Norouzian continues to discuss his life and experiences in the field of horseback riding and horse surgery. He talks about his challenges and successes during his studies and work with royal horses, and mentions the role of financial and moral support from listeners in content production. Dr. Norouzian addresses the establishment of the epidemiology department and its challenges, as well as the founding of a prestigious college in America, and discusses the developments in the horseback riding and veterinary industry in Iran after the revolution and his impact on the scientific advancement of this field. He highlights the importance of horses in social and historical life and shares his emotional experiences from horse surgeries and training the younger generation in this industry. Additionally, Dr. Norouzian talks about learning to ride in America and his emotional connection with a student named Elizabeth and its impact on his studies in surgery and research on horse diseases.

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چرا باید اپیزود چهل و پنجم را قبل از اپیزود ۵۲ گوش داد؟

زیرا تاریخ‌ها به هم پیوسته هستند.

چگونه می‌توان به رادیو چهارنعل کمک کرد؟

از لینکی که در توضیحات اپیزود قرار دارد می‌توانید وارد شوید و کمک کنید.

چه کسی آهنگ و موسیقی اپیزود را تهیه کرده است؟

آهنگ و موسیقی اپیزود هدیه سرکار خانم استاد هنرمند نگین گودرزی و عرفان مقدم عزیز است.

آیا شما تجربه سوارکاری هم دارید؟

بله، من تجربه سوارکاری دارم و در باشگاه‌های مختلف فعالیت کردم.

آیا در صنعت اسب‌سواری به جوانان کمک کرده‌اید؟

بله، من صنعت اسب را به نسل جوان واگذار کرده و به تربیت آن‌ها کمک کرده‌ام.

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Greetings and respect to all of you, the good listeners and audience of Radio Chaharnal. I am here with another episode from the series of Radio episodes. This is the fifty-second episode of Radio Chaharnal or the second part of the life of the dear and lovable Dr. Iraj Nowrouzian, which is a continuation of episode 45.

If you haven't listened to episode forty-five, I suggest you listen to that episode first and then this one, because these dates are connected. I would like to take this opportunity to give a special thanks to you dear ones for your support. Sharing the posts is truly an honor for me, and I am very grateful for all your boundless kindness and love towards me. If you have any suggestions or criticisms regarding any of the issues raised in the radio, I am all ears.

And I would be happy if you help us move forward in a better and more fruitful way. As you know, producing content like this without sponsors and financial support is really difficult. If you feel that you would like to and can help Radio Chaharnal, you can enter through the link I leave for you in the description of this episode and help me and Radio Chaharnal as much as you like. The Radio podcast is always free, and all the content provided on the radio is always available for free to all dear ones.

And even if you don't help, I am still at your service. I would like to thank my colleagues in this episode. The opening and closing music of the episode is a gift from the artist Ms. Negar Goudarzi and dear Erfan Moghaddam. The episode cover poster designer is the lovable Farshid Jahanbazi. I won't take more of your time and invite you to listen to episode 52, the second conversation with Dr. Nowrouzian. Now, because our language wasn't very good, there was this person who had come to put our suitcase from the plane into the car.

We were cursed at, and you saw their American curse words with their specific phrases. My brother, I didn't understand what he was saying, he was speaking with that slang. Then when he gave it, then what pain. Mr. Doctor, we went there and then came to take the TOEFL exam, and two or three months later we scored two hundred, and anyway.

We got accepted, and what a hassle to tell you, we went as students for our classes. It was very interesting for Dr. Hekmat that we were so concerned about progress. Now let me tell you, the scenario is still there, and I promised him anyway, and based on that, many stories happened with the doctors that we went and then with the excellent score that we went, they said you must also take an English language unit and.

We had committed to 25 comprehensive units to finish the course in a year and a half and return. We were the first scholarship of the University of Tehran. In the meantime, with the help of the Pahlavi Foundation at that time, which later became the Arzi Foundation, we also acquired that, and in those two years that I was a coach, it can be said that the past system was shaping the horse industry.

And for this reason, a club was established called Farahabad Club, which at that time was run by Farah Pahlavi, which later became what is now called the Martyrs Club. In the meantime, Mr. Doctor, you mentioned Mr. Dr. Arya Zand was a year ahead of me. His faculty had activities there, which I later accompanied him with, and we would find our heads there, as they say.

And in the meantime, there was also a doctor named Dr. Williamson who came from Australia and helped, and I still haven't had anything with him. In the meantime, I went to America. The Royal Horse Association, Mr. Doctor, was the Royal Horse Association, and then the person who had more authority there was Farah, and we hadn't done any surgery there yet, but in the meantime that I was a coach in the surgery department.

I brought the Shah's horse. The horse that he rode, which was supposed to parade. They wanted to castrate it. Mr. Dr. Hekmat entrusted this to me, and we, well, anyway, at that time, doctor, and what a hassle to tell you, we came to perform this surgery. Well, they would listen to it. At that time, we didn't give intravenous anesthesia. It was asleep, in a deep sleep. They started anesthetizing with that. Some of their adjutants had also come. The horse was very valuable.

We put it to sleep and performed a very clean surgery for them, but no matter what we did, it wouldn't get up from us. Then, God bless Ali Ahangar, at that time I was a servant in the department, they were beside me, and we still didn't have anything. I was there, Mr. Dr. Hemmati was there, and beside him, and this same Mr. Ali, and then Mr. Ghanbar Mohammadi came.

I was, as they say, working with them. We had a good emotional and ethical connection with each other. I told Ali what time they brought it. Our operation was finished at 12 noon. Now at 4 in the afternoon, he said everyone is grumbling, and the phone keeps ringing with the Royal Association about what happened. It seemed like it was over, and so on, and based on my experience, I said, Ali dear, this horse will get up, just let me go home.

If we are here, if God forbid something happens, and I went, I'm just sure this horse will get up, just help it when it wants to get up from deep sleep, be careful that it doesn't fall, help hold it on both sides, and around 8 o'clock, he called me, Mr. Doctor, the horse got up, rest assured, go to sleep, doctor. From that time on, my name almost circulated well in the collection.

The person who was my partner there was Mr. Kazem Alaei. Kazem Alaei was one of the kids who was present there, but later they became part of those who, when that team left, many stories happened to follow us, to do Mr. Dignity, to say, Dad, this was a photo that we worked hard for. They would take me there for very minor surgeries, and after Majid, two or three years later, I went to America and.

I took the unit I had promised to Mr. Dr. Hekmat on the horse, and I completed all my studies on the musculoskeletal system, especially Professor Wick, who was the surgery department head at that time, and I took all my units on the electronic units on the horse, and I remember that at that time, we had a very good life. I took my theories on epidemiology statistics.

Therefore, our thesis was on the disease of navicular in its time, everyone said someone has come here who always comes to the horse surgery clinic, but what are his course units in epidemiology? No one thought, for example, we could link epidemiology to the clinic. Today, you know that clinical epidemiology is a world of its own, and I am one of those who really, now I don't care, on return, we designed epidemiology in practice, and really now it didn't have a big share.

The department was formed at that time, and we got the epidemiology department after the opportunity arose, I took Dr. Bakaei, and after Dr. Bakaei, other kids came, the department is still not independent to some extent, because for its independence, other departments would join, and really a few days ago, they informed me that the American College of Epidemiology has been formed, for the first time this has become after 45 years.

This has become a reputable college in America, just a few days ago it was nominated and selected as a research college in America. Now, I don't care, I took my thesis on epidemiology. I remember the day we wanted to defend the thesis, the hall was bustling. The doctor who said someone has come who has reviewed all the cases in 17 American universities, I reviewed the navicular cases in terms of breed, age, gender, performance, and so on.

I did a new work that a very beautiful article was written at that time, and from that time I made myself a member of the American Association of Practitioners, and in a way, on my return, we created a reputation for the horse. When I returned, the person who supported a lot again was Farah, and then I remember that almost seven or eight months after my return, her foal.

Had a problem. At birth, they had pulled it, this umbilical cord had torn on the dorsal surface of the bladder, the bladder had ruptured, which I was called, they themselves also came there. We performed a very clean surgery. This foal survived, and from there, horse surgery gained a special grandeur, a special reputation, and I remember they thanked a lot, and in a way, horse surgery became in our clinic and.

This coincided with the activities of Ms. Louise Firouz and Mr. Engineer Firouz, who had differences with themselves, which like that collection was taken from them, and they came to the Kordan side, and then we started horse surgery in the film, we started to do more surgeries and more surgeries were still in the field or because in the time interval that I was a coach in the clinic.

For some reasons, Mr. Doctor limited me to the horse, and I had a very good experience with the wounds they would bring from outside, the Zari horses, to the extent that when I went to America, I was one of the faces in the horse field that they were surprised that I had such experience, and now the surgical works that we were in the service of the professor, and I remember this story, one of the ways to treat navicular disease when it becomes chronic.

The work of neurectomy is usually to take the pain in the area, which we were very trained there, and I was the good assistant of the professor there, and with this mountain of experience, we returned, I brought two or three new works with me from there to Iran, and then during Mr. Dr. Hekmat's time, and then the revolution happened, and the revolution happened, and slowly the horse was neglected.

Mr. Doctor, we reached the year 1350, well according to your statement that you said that even the surgeries that the system you had even helped a lot to the system from the time of the revolution in the Farahabad club or let me tell you that considering that anyway, fundamental and popular changes had taken place, that anyway we were subject.

To the theories of the entire management of the University of Tehran, which anyway the programs were planned by the university planning at that time, I myself was also somehow in the planning collection, and to the extent that everything was going towards the transformations that were happening, especially the dairy cow industry, the dairy cow was getting out of the traditional state, it was coming, it was going towards industrialization, now if I want to enter it, I have to put some pressure on my memory and also to say.

As they say, let's review those programs, which means more originally, it was no longer referred to the clinic, and we were invited from time to time by the elders, and I remember well that a personality like Babak Jan, Mr. Shaki, I really remember that once they invited us to go and now or castrate.

I remember we went because we wanted to go, we were praying that our horse could get up, I remember we operated in one of their stables, we anesthetized it, and with a lot of difficulty, we were able to get it up, then other surgeries, abdominal cavity surgeries were less, that is, if it was referred, with a kind of special sensitivity because we would give it complete anesthesia as they say, and we would give it obesity to really manage the state of anesthesia, it was almost a risky job, and.

Still, as they say, today's referrals like every day they operate, that is, at that time, these discussions were not at all, they certainly did not diagnose, or the nutrition industry was not yet in that shape that today, as they say, these problems are provided, that is, more of those nutritional managements and so on and so on, these events occur, and still, as they say, breeding improvement and these programs have not yet happened, and news let me tell you that.

I said my horse no longer has its business state until we talked with these elders, I remember Mr. Farhang a little Babak and Mr. God bless this nation said that Mr. Doctor, this way it can't be anyway, the lesson of horse limb diseases that was with me, abdominal cavity surgeries that were with me, Mr. Doctor had more in the field of a good name, they had presenters, I was also helping him, and if cases were found, we tried to anyway do it and the issue would not fall because it was really not right that really a veterinary faculty let me tell you that Shiraz University also started its activities and in a way, as they say, they were advancing the works until Mr. Dr. Dehghani joined them, who then did the works independently themselves, Mr. Dr. Dehghani who was the president of the federation, no he was not the federation, he was a veterinarian Mr. Dr. Seyfollah Dehghani I don't know their name but Mr. Dr. Dehghani year sixty and.

He had the presidency of the equestrian federation, who was a veterinarian, but I remember I can almost say that after these setups were done and that first conference as they say, the health and medicine of the horse was formed in Azadi Square, that basement shape was that I said you can hold a conference here, I did not enter the business pardon more, I was more after.

All the scientific issues and scientific promotion of this food was that I could really work in the world of publications and after my return from America on epidemiology practice, I did not do much myself here, these great friends who somehow found an official place in the horse industry like Mr. Alaei like Mr. Vojdani brothers who really these worked hard, I felt it is better that another generation enters.

The industry must be set right, and for this reason, after this congress that we held, it was a very good congress so that we can tell people that the horse is a very necessary animal for our social lives. It is one of those animals that has a very magnificent history, and based on this, I somehow took help from my Muslim friends and they told me that it is better to use a slogan from the Prophet of Islam and that is that there is blessing in the forehead of the horse. I also made this into a banner and installed it all around Azadi Square, and there was a very good reception from the fact that I, a Zoroastrian child, as they say, gave the message to the people that do not neglect the horse so much. We must protect this animal, preserve its value, and it was really my love for this animal. If I want to tell the stories of the surgeries I really did on the horse, you all become emotional. I never forget a tumor on the chest for a horse that belonged to the Shell representative in Iran and was his wife's, they invited me to their club on the Lavasan side. They took me there, this horse came forward, I touched him, because he really likes whispering, I talked to him. Maybe half an hour three quarters I talked to him and established an emotional connection and these talks. I operated standing up, the owner was also there, we operated, and I went three days later to see this horse. After the operation, I went there, I was honking behind the stable door, they opened the door, now he had fallen beside me, we were both emotional and crying and our tears were together. If you had filmed this scene, the connection I made with this covenant, I touched and said I came to change your dressing, and the day I left Iran, because they took the horse on foot to Bandar Abbas and from there to Sweden, until there I escorted him. In this same Imam Khomeini club, I did a lot of operations there. Now Mr. Homayoun Farajzadeh goes and comes there. Really Mr. Dr. Farajzadeh and other kids really that year when I held the conference, I said to myself, Iraj, it is better to hand over the horse industry to the young kids. My best work is to come and put the thesis topic on the horse, hands and feet, and especially the abdominal cavity limbs.

This was that I gave the first thesis to Mr. Dr. Kashiyar. We say Dr. Kashani, Mr. Dr. Kashani was a very good boy, had a very good accompaniment, and then he did the thesis. Behind him, Mr. Dr. Ahmadreza Cheraghi, behind him, Mr. Dr. Farshad, behind him, Mr. Dr. Naderian, God bless him, say Mr. Dr. say, Mr. Dr. they did the thesis of the black pen, the black pen thesis click was given by Mr. Dr. Naderian.

For years, if their cases found surgery, they had greatness, they had kindness, they would call me, and I would go and do surgery for them, but practically I handed over the horse practice to these friends, and until the time that is, at that time simultaneously with them, Ms. Firouz especially Louise gave me their cases that Mr. Dr. I got very close to them that after Farshad went to America, went to Canada and.

Again, we were doing Ms. surgery, and in this interval, Ms. Qarqouzlu passed away, God bless them. They had a connection, they had a lot of activities in the west of the country on the Kurdish and Arab horse, and then our acquaintance with Babak Khan Shaki and then with Mr. Hajbar, who really I don't know how close friends are with them and these and in the horse industry, they very.

They referred to us and anyway their cases now also that they have made a big collection in anyway their collection and these days it is supposed to be like they open their club Dasht Behesht and I can almost say that in terms of activities very close after Ms. Firouz who we were very close to until the last times they were alive and Mr. Engineer himself less other.

If they had cases, other friends really Mr. Dr. Rahmani and other friends really accompanied and if opportunities were given to me, I was at their service, but more all of these were handed over to the young generation and I trained the young ones, I was at their service, and I really considered this my duty in the faculty, and then my dear friends came and slowly we took the coach and various programs and from Mr.

Dr. Kariman we took, Mr. Dr. now also that Mr. Dr. Qamsari my dear, good friend, good brother, good companion now I am working, that is, anyway, I think that now, of course, I was getting tired, this reality must be accepted, but it was good, that is, we came into the cow industry.

Do you have horseback riding experience? In relation to horseback riding, did you really start with whom? Which club? The same past in Farahabad with which coach

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