Episode forty-seven of Radio Chahar Nal, a conversation with Maziar Jamshidkhani and Tahmineh Aghajani.

خلاصه

In episode forty-seven of Radio Chaharnal, Maziar Jamshidkhani and Tahmineh Aghajani explore new dimensions of measuring the athletic performance of horses. This conversation begins with a reminder of the sudden passing of Alireza Shah-Hosseini and addresses the challenges and achievements of these two specialists in the fields of equestrianism and equine physiology. They emphasize the importance of changing the perspective on horses as living and athletic beings. Given the new generation's need for faster learning, the use of technology and scientific data to improve the fitness of horses and riders seems essential. Additionally, riders should design better training and competition strategies through various tests and precise analysis of horse behavior. Ultimately, the discussions highlight the importance of a thorough understanding of the needs and capabilities of horses and the impact of small changes in training and nutrition on their performance, such that these changes can lead to improved performance in competitions.

نکات کلیدی

• اندازه‌گیری عملکرد ورزشی اسب‌ها به دلیل چند مؤلفه‌ای بودن ورزش سوارکاری دشوار است.
• تحقیق در این زمینه از سال ۹۶ آغاز شده است.
• یادگیری سوارکاری به دلیل تغییرات اجتماعی و فناوری در حال تغییر است.
• استانداردسازی در تمرین‌ها برای مقایسه و تکرارپذیری ضروری است.
• حضور مربی در تمرینات اسب‌سواری ضروری است.

سرفصل‌ها

• مقدمه — معرفی مهمانان و موضوعات اصلی اپیزود.
• اهمیت اندازه‌گیری عملکرد اسب‌ها — بررسی چالش‌ها و روش‌های اندازه‌گیری عملکرد ورزشی اسب‌ها.
• نقش استانداردسازی و مربی در تمرینات — توضیح اهمیت استانداردسازی و حضور مربی در بهبود عملکرد اسب‌ها.
• تغییرات در یادگیری سوارکاری — بررسی تغییرات اجتماعی و فناوری و تأثیر آن بر یادگیری سوارکاری.

متن کامل گفتگو

Hello. Before starting this episode, I must extend my condolences to the Iranian horse community, especially the equestrian community, for the sudden passing of Alireza Shah-Hosseini. He was beloved and left us too soon. In such situations, words often fail to express emotions. My heartfelt wish is for the peace of his soul and his happiness, and I wish patience and health for his dear family and esteemed friends. For all of you listening to my voice, I sincerely wish...

and a life of dignity. With episode 47 of Radio Chaharnal, I am once again your guest. I kiss the hands of each and every one of you noble people for being with me and Radio Chaharnal so far, and I hope to continue this path stronger than ever with your kindness and love. The story of episode 47 is that there was a conversation between me and dear Maziar Jamshidkhani and also Ms. Tahmineh Aghajani as the first people in the world...

who came and conducted fieldwork on measuring the athletic performance of horses. This work is very difficult in practice, especially in equestrian sports, because equestrian sports, as they say, are multifaceted, and measuring and obtaining results is very challenging. But with the determination of these two dear ones, this happened, and personally, after hearing their talks, my mindset about the athletic performance of horses changed drastically, and I am sure that from listening to these talks...

you will learn a lot, and after hearing the talks, your perspective on horses as living beings will change. I should thank all the dear ones who kindly supported and sent gifts for Radio Chaharnal. Again, I announce that if you wish and are kind, you can be a supporter of the radio through the link I will put in the description of this episode. Even if you don't do this, you are still dear and noble to me, and my good prayers are with all of you and also...

your families. As always, the poster designer for this episode and the Instagram post cover is dear Farshid Jahanbazi. I invite you to listen to the forty-seventh episode of my conversation with Maziar Jamshidkhani and Tahmineh Aghajani. In the name of the Creator of beauty, today I am sitting in the presence of two dear ones who...

are very respectable. There is no need for description and introduction, but Ms. Tahmineh Aghajani is one of those who is the first in the world to embark on a path that no one has taken until now and continues with perseverance. Because I know she has faith. Today we are going to talk about the athletic performance of horses with you and Mr. Jamshidkhani, who is one of the experts. Well, ma'am, I want you to briefly say hello now...

that we need to go into the subject of the work you started. Here, should we prioritize the ladies or the order of age? I don't know. Thank you. I greet all the viewers and thank you. Well, it's an honor to go before you. I would be happy. Be healthy. Well, ma'am, sir, how many years ago did this idea come to your mind to measure such a potential...

physical performance of horses? A task that I know is personally very difficult. We started this work in the year, meaning it was my thesis topic. My field was veterinary medicine, then I studied physiology, and then for my thesis topic, I worked on the sport of jumping horses, examining the jumping component, meaning the intensity of the jump, on the immune system. This work started in 1996. I think I became more familiar in 1998. In competitions, from that time, it was like this that through the articles I read...

I noticed this significant gap in this subject, like why don't they go to measure the performance of jumping horses, their capacity. Then I saw that this work is done in articles. They come and take a series of cardiovascular tests, some lactic acid, glucose, cholesterol, and measure a series of things. But the focus is more on racing and jumping because it's a combined sport...

and well, now skill from many other stories is a bit difficult to measure, and because of this, for example, it is still a question for me why researchers in different parts of the world, who now had a lot of facilities, did not come to this topic, so I started studying for a few years, and then I talked with Mr. Maziar that we set up this work in our club. Meaning for several years, we worked on this topic here, took various tests, were ready as the technical part. Meaning all...

the opinions that were there, the things I brought here, we talked about them, and then we went to design tests. We used articles as a background. All the articles that had been worked on, for example, Mr. Maziar would ask me questions, like he wouldn't allow in some places, for example, well because if the test was intense, they would get injured, and with all these stories, that in the year 42, on the 30th of Mordad 42, when the teaser was also broadcast, and the work started. Meaning we started fieldwork, the protocols were ready, the tests were ready...

and we started. And now a year, a thesis topic, you have to have until 402 just researching and inquiring and this story before facing the horse as a sports tool, a sports being. I am from the north, and well in Amol, for example, in what do I know, the sea, the forest, there have always been horses. Not in this form, not in that form, but well, I liked it in my childhood, and well, I was very interested in physiology...

Overall, more of its research and exploration and studies were interesting to me, and this too because it was a very special and difficult topic. Meaning even now, if you talk to equine sports physiologists anywhere in the world, they all have this opinion. Even the coaches have the same opinion that jumping because it has several components, there is technique, there is skill, the rider's influence, there are many stories, measuring it and wanting to separate each part is a bit difficult...

Did you get an idea? Frankly, did you laugh or say let it go, or did you stand by it and give it value and took it seriously? The story started here, the theories that from here we can measure things or come and do such scientific work that many theses, for example, are talked about...

The work started for two reasons. The first reason is that it was a bit attractive to me. The second reason was Ms. Aghajani, who was very persistent and didn't give up. Because the first times she asked me, I, for the same reason she just mentioned, said that this sport is multifaceted and very difficult, not measurable, and if it is, at least an Iranian or you are not at least on its side to want to do such a thing. But well, she proved that she can talk with big universities and big professors over there, and we realized that we are actually the first team in the world doing this work.

Now, my first reason for liking it was that, you see, we must accept that times are changing. Following the same discussions we had about coaching, in the past, they would take three years of riding from a student and then take him without stirrups and then deliver a rider with a good seat to society. Now, the techniques and such are left for post-training, but now there is no such time. No one is going to leave their child out for three years and go to Kabul, they don't have the patience, they don't have the time, and everything is solved by scrolling. Kids are no longer looking to endure a little hardship for everything, they don't go. For this reason, the depth of that learning and feeling in future riders will probably decrease, and the role of technology here becomes very high to be able to combine what we felt in 30-40 years of riding with the science of physiology and be able to obtain fixed data from which we can derive patterns.

This can serve as a reference for the next generation. That is, if Maziar Jamshidkhani has to ride different horses from different breeds in different disciplines, whether endurance, jumping, or racing, and understand and see how it empties, if it empties what happens, what feeling it has before emptying, and this must be felt many times, hundreds of times to reach that depth. Whereas if we could, with the patterns we find...

The level where lactic acid is secreted, the level where aerobic ends, the level where anaerobic, sorry, anaerobic ends, and then where aerobic starts, if we can measure these as patterns whether at home where we work, in training, or during competition, over all these years and these were always tested, a very big problem we had was that the jumping exercises had to be standardized.

That is, the number of jumps the horse performed had to be standardized, the amount of galloping the horse did had to be standardized. The main problem in the exercises was standardization so that we could derive appropriate patterns from them and obtain appropriate results, and the test itself was very difficult. And it was there that they realized that, let me tell you, your leg was also broken, what happened, I was in a cast, standing next to the arena up there and going from this and I was going to loss.

During the test, there was a test that had to hit acid 4, lactic acid 4. Amazon also said it's impossible to paralyze. According to the article, we have to do this. There I realized when we came into the tests, one of the biggest issues was standardization. What does that mean? It means creating tests that have repeatability, we can compare different horses with each other, for all kinds of arenas, meaning it doesn't cause damage and on the other hand, brings it to an intensity.

This standardization protocol, which now many want to know, with Professor Kent McKee, with him we set up the protocols. That is, we sent it to Rutgers University in America, where he told us please send us your jumping data. Now you are the only one in the world who has this data. This is how they are working where I realized why for years no researcher went to the field, because the work is extremely, I mean, you really have to see the field yourself.

Let me give a small explanation for everyone who is listening to this and wants to understand what this story is about. Let me announce to the program's audience that it is not an advertisement for the system based on its mission to enlighten society from that old system. I really need you and him to kindly explain these to me. Now, I apologize, please go ahead. You see, for jumping in a competition, a lot of elements are needed. The horse's enthusiasm, physical readiness, the horse's anatomy.

From the other side comes the rider's enthusiasm, his physical readiness, the rider's mental readiness, I don't know, all these come together, luck also plays a role, the sun doesn't shine directly into the eyes, the wind doesn't blow, nothing happens, and you win the prize. Because of having so many elements, no one has come to address the horse's physical readiness. Why? Because the horse's physical readiness in riding disciplines like racing or polo is much more prominent than in jumping. In jumping, why didn't you give a half-halt? Why did you let it go under? Why.

Did you lose your rhythm? Why didn't you turn with the outside hand on that turn? You see how many human details there are. That's why no one has pursued preparing the horse's body because they thought there were so many things in their way. Well, fine, but eventually, someone has to prepare for 140-150, and our generation is gradually fading, and technology is coming up. Everyone will gradually look for information in the app, and I thought how better it would be if we could, thank God, so far we've progressed well, we've gotten very interesting results.

Do something so that we can provide these experiences and what we have achieved in jumping, at least so far, as data and as specific data with a series of specific training patterns to those who need it. An article has been worked on about this very topic that Mr. Maziar mentioned, and I realized when lactic acid goes up, now the acid component must also be talked about, lactic acid goes up, the reaction to the obstacle is delayed, four hundredths of a second. In a study, a few hundredths of a second delay in reaction means the muscles.

Overall, it lowers concentration and slows down the reaction and nerve-muscle transmission. For the same reason that oxygen doesn't reach, that moment when the rider suddenly can't see or his hand becomes the same as a rider.

A professional who has worked in all horse-related disciplines feels completely under your feet, and how did you understand that this work has an impact that you were encouraged to continue. Honestly, the interesting thing that happened from the first horse we started with, we worked with about five or six horses, but all high-level, all champions of Iran, but the interesting thing was that we started getting results from the first horse, meaning.

The information that came to me was exactly what I guessed should happen, or if I guessed something wrong somewhere, the information that came to me helped me a lot to understand what the reason for these was so far that it could have been this way, and from the very first horse, it really started working. That is, from the second week, for example, we started changing its exercises a little, then I would take feedback, for example, how it is, I would take feedback, it would say let's do its nutrition this way, again we would take a little feedback, repeat the test again.

By playing with this, we almost started getting results from the first horse. For example, let me tell you about one or two of them. I won't mention the name of one of the horses; it's not very important. One of the horses was very late in producing lactic acid, which is a very strange thing. It means it's very ready, which is a good thing, but it doesn't reach the level of excitement you need for the competition.

Therefore, with the tests we conducted, we saw that my horse's physical readiness was at an ideal level. On the last day of the competition, when we had to enter the warm-up, he ran and told me, "Mr. Maziar, increase this horse's level of excitement because it produces lactic acid late and we have little excitement." I said, "Very well, thank you, goodbye." I went and started galloping, the speed I had to achieve, the excitement I had to create in him, and the adrenaline I had to extract from him, which would relatively calm down that excitement, and I made an exceptional jump. Or in another case, we had to work. Everything was ideal, everything was great, but in the beginning, when we were working, things were chaotic. Because in terms of training and education, it was very chaotic, there was no pain or blockage. When we managed to organize him a bit and improve him a little, his condition got better, and everything became calmer. We realized that this horse jumps the first obstacle perfectly, but as it goes towards the end of the course, it gets worse. I put him in a test and said that he must come. We started taking a series of tests from him both in training and in competition.

From his results, I realized that his oxygen delivery was incomplete, and the results showed that from a certain point, this defect appears. Another horse that was very interesting and very chaotic, and it took time to understand, because we had to organize him first and take care of his health and do his work, I realized after a while that he starts to drop towards the end of the course. Then I talked to the lady, took the necessary tests from him, and examined a little, and from the tests, it was very interesting.

Now, the details are not very important, but his heart rate at the end of the course, instead of going up, would go down and drop sharply. From that, I realized that this could be a respiratory issue, a lung issue. We had his lung checked, and one-third of his lung was paralyzed. Then, in relation to that, with the exercises I gave him, with the aerobic and interval training I gave him, and the aerobics they gave him, I increased his lung volume, and the same horse was able to achieve a brilliant result. I mean, I want to say that even I, who am providing data to this system and working in it, am amazed by the things I achieve. Let alone someone who now wants to get that solution. Now, if I want to ask a question that is a little more tangible, how much change did you see after one? How much did you change? Did you see improvement? I can say about 30%, 25%. And no, it's very good. What is very attractive to me is that...

Look, all of us riders move forward based on our feelings, and on the morning of the competition day, you wake up and go there, the only thing you have in hand is to ask the worker how things are or to go yourself and touch the horse. This story gives you confidence, it gives you something that you have a handle that you can ride with confidence today and not be involved in whether you slept well last night or not. The story is exactly about this recognition. When you know, you know how to turn it on, how to warm it up. Now, for example, we have horses that are sensitive to speed. You know today you have to go more calmly with the horse. What do I know, now, for example, you know it warms up quickly, whether it wants excitement or not. It tells you all of this. Or, for example, how far you have previously extracted your horse's maximum potential. You know exactly what happens and this recognition, apart from helping you improve, exactly what Mr. Maziar says gives confidence and...

How is the sports performance process? How many days does it take? We have three tests. We have three main tests. A speed increase test, a stamina test, and a gymnastics test. In these three tests, each of which should have a gap of two or three days between them because their intensity is relatively high. These three tests together, I think, take about 9 to 10 days, and their results take about a week to be ready.

The test is the same standards that Mr. Maziar mentioned that we set up here. That is, the test of measuring devices, the device for measuring cardiac data. What is going to happen is that the rider mounts the horse for the number of laps we tell him. That is, the kids tell him to gallop at his speed, and every few laps that we deem necessary, he stops and a drop of blood is taken from him with an insulin syringe and placed on a slide.

You live the rest of the ride, and they start testing. We connect them to a world and device that measures heart rate, speed, stride, and these things that we study later. Then these reach the analysis team, and the kids analyze it. There is a gymnastics test where we want to see how the body reacts to jumping.

In the speed test, we want to see how the body reacts to speed. In the endurance test, we want to see how the cardiac endurance is. How can the heart maintain the heart rate, for example, the results that Mr. Maziar mentioned in the endurance test come out of this. It must have all three items. It is an endurance competition full of galloping and speed and so on and full of explosive movements. I think it hits about 40 to 45 160 jumps.

Explosive. Another point is that when he comes to the coach, it is considered almost a new era in the first two weeks, three weeks, or a month. Nothing can be done with him. You just have to be careful, take the necessary tests, and see how much endurance he has, how much physical readiness he has, how his condition and situation are, and so on. But by doing these tests, the speed of this work goes much higher. Another story that comes after this is that I personally have progressed with trial and error all these years. We saw no, it hasn't gotten better. We took another path. We saw it still doesn't get better. This story shortens the time so much for young people that they no longer need to try all those paths. When they realize, "Sir, this one gets tired quickly, and his aerobic capacity runs out quickly."

It ends quickly, they know they have to go for this category of exercises. It prevents the waste of resources and time. The same thing that future world technology does not allow this time. Then there is another topic altogether. This information we provide does not diminish the presence of the coach, but rather enhances it. I had given this information to Mr. Maziar last year. After a month and a half, I went to test. I asked, what did you do? You said, what does it matter to you. The data has changed a lot. He said it doesn't concern you. It was a joke. What I mean is that it actually opens up the coach's hand more rather than making the coach unemployed. And the further it went, I remember Mr. Maziar after a year and a half, last year we had a competition, I was just beginning to understand more what we were doing. Yes.

Meaning a year and a half of results itself was so much, it requires a lot of subtlety, but thank God it's very interesting that it's progressing so scientifically and yes now I realized what things we can do, you were lucky, I'm serious, I'm serious, it couldn't be that you have a child who doesn't resist something new.

We had the club at our disposal, the best horses were at our disposal, I think the only way to save humanity, well, we were talking about history until now, and that is the start of your work and the process we went through, your conversations, now I am working.

Understand, let me say something, Mr. Maziar just said that there was a horse, I won't use acid, this is what I want to say, acid is good to a certain extent, beyond that it's bad, now how do you see, now aerobic and anaerobic, the body's energy production path burns food with oxygen, it turns into energy, it becomes aerobic, which is a very accessible source.

If there is no oxygen, the same food wants to burn without the presence of oxygen, this path is called anaerobic, without the presence of oxygen, this path produces a by-product called lactic acid, meaning when that food burns without the presence of oxygen, lactic acid is produced, this acid goes higher, it becomes damaging, overall the anaerobic energy path is limited, it can provide energy for 30-40 seconds, well, in fast explosive movements like jumping that starts, for example, you think of a short-distance run of 1 meter or the jump itself.

It comes at the moment, it needs a lot of energy until the heart rate goes up, takes oxygen, oxygen comes to the cells, can provide energy, it takes 50-60 seconds, during this time, energy is provided from the anaerobic path, it was said to be a primary fuel, now I practice, I warmed up, now I want to go, I didn't warm up, during this interval until, for example, the competition happens or not, see, understand the question, no, no, see, now I will answer you.

In the warm-up, when you warm up, you are just warming up, you don't reach the level of lactic acid, you shouldn't reach it at all, you just warm it up, lactic acid is what I know from sports, I'm not speaking from zero information now, lactic acid is what is secreted in the body, if it's low, it helps you to restore and rebuild the muscles for tomorrow, that's why when athletes exert a lot of pressure, suddenly the next day they can't walk at all because it's secreted a lot and it becomes destructive.

This lactic acid has a range, for example, if it reaches two, you warmed up, did all the work, entered, reached the first obstacle, this wants to jack, uses anaerobic, a lot of energy until there is aerobic until 4 used.

If it wants to be supplied from aerobic, it should be at the first obstacle, its heart rate, then a last point of parkour that is not ready, it falls into Hanooh, what does Hanooh mean, it means it's hard to take oxygen, it means its oxygen is low, so because oxygen is low, again from there it is lactic, so this body hurts again tomorrow, you got the lactic acid story, it's a very intertwined subject, a share of anaerobic, aerobic, when your horse starts slowly, aerobic churning.

You give time, it is calling oxygen, it reaches 50 seconds, meaning you now hit the start here, walk a little, go until 50 seconds, it doesn't need acid and the anaerobic path, but in an explosion or in a horseshoe open that suddenly needs a lot of energy in a second, here it needs anaerobic, which is a very important subject in jumping, now lactic acid itself is not bad at all.

Let me give you an example from the course, let me give you an example from the back to back defense, we warm up nicely, if you have seen a guy in defense, he circles, but this warming up is to the extent that it raises its oxygen, helps it to hit less lactic, so and so, but when the door opens, the story becomes explosive.

From that moment on, it starts only burning those minerals that it has, as much as oxygen reaches it and it has, and it can, they say my horse should be big, as much as it can take more oxygen, it can give lactic acid better, but this muscle is destroyed later and it hurts later tomorrow, you understood, I feel exactly the aerobic share, the aerobic share is exactly what Mr. Maziar says, when it starts, it starts from anaerobic, but.

At a point, the course horses in the last seconds, you saw it falls, a constant there, its anaerobic is over, the aerobic it takes is not enough because the acid is high, it gets tired, now why doesn't oxygen work here because the acid is high, the acid removes calcium from access, it somehow makes the muscle acidic, it doesn't contract properly, and this is where you put a lot of pressure, the tendon pulls the bone because the muscle has become hard because of the acid, now what should we do, the subject is not acid, the body should get used to the acid.

This daily wrenching path is actually doing something that in its body, in its muscles, lactic acid is secreted, that the body is not built, it hits, it collects, it hits, it collects, so that there in the competition, when it hits, it can collect easily, not easily, it collects easily because this path is built, you repeated it so much, you hit acid at home, collected, it doesn't hurt, it easily disposes of that acid, aerobic, no matter how better it is, it makes the acid collect more easily.

That system is activated, you measure the elements and define the ratio of exercises to potential, our new definition of balance, we tried to establish this story between those names that have a lot of anaerobic, little aerobic, or bring it to a balance point that can find a standard state, you practically have to level its resources approximately the same.

The best performance for performance results, not potential, not the result is taken by a horse that these are balanced, as much as anaerobic is important, aerobic is also important because the more aerobic is expanded, it collects acid more easily, it can also provide energy there where there is a lot of acid, it can also do well there.

Changes should be applied to it, what are those changes if we assume that I am inexperienced in this field and have no information to justify that if this horse has this problem, for example, its feeding here, suppose I don't know, you might improve the feeding, maybe change the training model, the distance might change afterward, I don't know exactly what it does, you tell us in the test we take, there is a sentence that says until there is no understanding, we cannot understand you.

You realize somewhere, maybe you yourself felt, for example, a topic that exists, for example, some horses have weak anaerobic capacity, they cannot use explosive power, over time their performance declines, they think their endurance is weak, meaning, for example, in round 4, their performance drops in round three of the competition, four drops, five drops, they say their endurance is low, instead they give them dough, you got what happened, they give sugar, it doesn't work anymore, hitting so much has dried it, well done, here the issue was anaerobic, we tell you what the cause of weak performance is, where your horse is lacking.

Does it have a problem in the aerobic section or in the anaerobic section? Anaerobic also has several components; does it have a problem in anaerobic jumping or anaerobic speed? Some horses are more sensitive to speed and produce more lactic acid, others produce more acid in jumping. When we give you this understanding, as a coach, you know that if anaerobic jumping is weak, you should work on jumping components or if anaerobic is weak, perform the suggested exercises. These suggested exercises exist in the following patterns that when it is like this, we can perform these exercises to improve.

But the coach himself can also have personal interpretations. The coach must have information to use them. I take help from the coach and he must help me too. We have a section called talking with the coach, meaning in the end, the coach and I sit and review all the data to determine the best type of training. Each training has its specific nutrition. We have something called sports nutrition. For a horse that works on anaerobic, you must give creatine. If you want to work on aerobic, you should use oil with neutral. But if you work anaerobically and give creatine, the exercises must be correct, otherwise, it will be excreted. If you don't use oil with the correct exercise, the horse will become fat and you give it too much energy.

Sports nutrition is highly stressful and must be covered in high-intensity exercises. If the horse is ill-tempered, we cannot change its temperament. With supplements and vitamins, we can calm the horse. Usually, nervous horses have weak anaerobic capacity. We calm these horses and explain that speed is different from anaerobic. We explain these and thank God so far, the people I have worked with have really listened and are interested. We provide more understanding and balance the nutrition for you.

The capacity of each horse changes by 20% over its athletic life. Information helps you know what to do. For example, a horse that is sensitive to speed, you realize with a test. In training, this sensitivity can be reduced. During the competition, where more pressure is applied to it, it does not increase its speed. When we know the horse, we make a better decision. In our tests, the injury threshold is determined, and you can set the lactic acid limit.

We have data and compare it. For example, someone says I like to work a lot with the horse. This will work for endurance. When we give you data, for example, a horse that is sensitive to jumping or speed, it is an important issue. When you realize this, you can perform the appropriate exercises. We also suggest training. Speed and nutrition are also important.

Summarize and say in a few sentences. In my opinion, these tests are needed because when horses are in competition, they have different performances, and the coach must be familiar with the data. Horses are different from each other, and what happens inside may look similar from the outside. When a weakness is found, the work can be done in a short time. We had a horse that was ready in 40 days.

With us, we can prepare this horse in 40 days using data from Iran. With the correct understanding of Mr. Mohammad Makaninejad, well, he also trusted us. But the understanding we had, meaning exactly what we realized, maybe it was two points, maybe three points, but three very valuable points that make you completely, for example, maybe the horse's aerobic is very strong, its anaerobic is weak, and you still work aerobically. I see from the field and realize that maybe with two nutritional issues and a little change in training.

The essence is to change and you can get 5 rounds of performance from it instead of one round. Put the key to the puzzle in the hands of the main athlete, someone who can practically say you supported this knowledge and on those experiences and these, meaning you doubted the assumptions that you wanted to experience something new.

What is your final word for the audience that this test that now Jamshid Khani, who has a brand in this sport, I recommend that this test does these things. We passed the era of Mirza's tickling, we passed the hay stream, we need to be a little more careful. What do you say to your audience? Even though I was one of the influential people in this story, meaning I was someone who finally had a hand in the fire, but one point that was very interesting to me was that I was also testing myself with these training experiments.

Meaning when, for example, we gave a diagnosis that this horse should now go aerobic work, within 15 days, this should be corrected. When I focused on doing that work in 15 days, the subsequent data or, for example, now if two months later, three months later, depending, when at that time the subsequent data that came told me whether I am going right or still making a mistake. Maziar Jamshidkhani himself once again his test works well, meaning it gives you confidence, you realize that you are going right.

I suggest how often this is because you experienced it, I say to ask you how often is it good, I spent a cost for it, how often do the competition horses need it before the season starts, meaning when they started a patrol. In my opinion, they should take this test to see what deficiencies they have, work on them, and then a competition. Meaning I think if the conditions are there for competition horses before the season.

It's a very good thing and for horses that are in a big competition, honestly, I have them under test all season, meaning that I usually jump for the championship or the big competition, usually now either for our own test or because I want to know for myself. I tell Mrs. Aghajani to come and we test. Usually, big competition horses are always under test to put my mind at ease. It's very interesting that I always have in mind the words of Mohammadreza Shabaanali.

Learning something new requires us to question some of our previous assumptions and, so to speak, to draw our sword.

I enjoy health if you say goodbye, thank you, Mr. Heidari, from the first day I talked to you, you were much more eager.

And this is really a good thing because in my opinion, every change should really happen from within ourselves when we stand up and believe that we can do something, a change that I think can be created and thank you, thank you for sticking with it and not getting tired of this hard work. Now, God willing, both its spiritual and material benefits will be yours, wherever you are, healthy, no thanks can be given, I just wanted to say that.

I can't find words, it's not a very important topic to work on, it's not something that can be provided, I mean, really Mr. Maziar, we were lucky, no, the truth is that I am a soldier of this sport, really good, you were always compassionate, as you say, a different mindset, thank you for being there, goodbye.

Again, thank you for being with me and Radio Charl until the end of this episode, and I hope that these talks, which had an educational aspect, have been useful to you and you have learned from them, and from now on, like me, your perspective on horses will change and it will not just be that a horse eats for food and does a routine sport. Thank you all, I hope you are always healthy, happy, and successful.

Until the next episode, I leave you all to the great God and, as always, take care of your horses.

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