Episode twenty-two, about the national team's issues in the Asian Games with Abbas Mohajer.

خلاصه

In the twenty-second episode of Radio Chahar Nal, Mohsen Pourheidari discusses the issues of the Iranian national equestrian team in the Asian Games with Abbas Mohajer, a veteran equestrian and designer of show jumping competitions. Mohajer emphasizes the importance of advocacy and efforts to promote equestrianism, pointing out the financial challenges and the lack of funding from the National Olympic Committee. He also addresses criticisms of the team's management and the necessity for cooperation among riders, believing that disagreements have led to poor results. In this conversation, the problems arising from sanctions and the disorganization of the Equestrian Federation are also examined, highlighting the need to improve international relations and proper planning for success in international competitions. Pourheidari concludes by stressing the importance of dialogue and exchange of ideas to create a better future for equestrianism in Iran.

نکات کلیدی

• عباس مهاجر به دنبال افتخارآفرینی برای کشورش در مسابقات آسیایی است.
• تمام هزینه‌های سفر و اجاره اسب او توسط تیم سوریه پرداخت می‌شود.
• اسب باید در ارتفاع ۱۵۰ سانتی‌متر زیر هشت خطا رفته باشد.
• مسعود مکاری‌نژاد به عنوان سوارکار انتخاب شد.
• مدیریت و برنامه‌ریزی صحیح برای موفقیت در سوارکاری ضروری است.

سرفصل‌ها

• تصمیم‌گیری برای مسابقات آسیایی — عباس مهاجر درباره انگیزه‌ها و تصمیمات خود برای شرکت در مسابقات آسیایی صحبت می‌کند.
• هزینه‌ها و حمایت‌های مالی — بحث درباره هزینه‌های سفر و اجاره اسب و نحوه تأمین مالی توسط تیم سوریه.
• چالش‌های تیم سوارکاری ایران — بررسی مشکلات مدیریتی و برنامه‌ریزی که باعث عملکرد ضعیف تیم ایران در مسابقات شد.
• راهکارهای بهبود سوارکاری در ایران — پیشنهاداتی برای بهبود وضعیت سوارکاری در ایران از طریق برنامه‌ریزی و مشورت با افراد با تجربه.

متن کامل گفتگو

Hello, I am Mohsen Pourheidari and you are listening to the twenty-second episode of the first season of Radio Chahar Naal.

As promised in the previous episode, this episode is about the national team issues and international competitions. The guest of the twenty-second episode is the dear Abbas Mohajer, who is one of the veterans of equestrianism and also a course designer for show jumping competitions. Let me remind you that all of you dear listeners of Radio Chahar Naal can share your issues and problems with the radio through the Instagram page or Telegram channel of Radio Chahar Naal.

So that we can discuss these issues with the experts in future episodes and witness more improvement and progress in equestrian sports. You can also introduce people you are interested in being guests on Radio Chahar Naal to the radio. Let's listen to the twenty-second episode and the conversation with Abbas Mohajer.

In the name of the Creator of beauty, we are pleased to be at the service of one of the masters of the equestrian community.

Considering that Mr. Abbas Mohajer is not in Iran, we are recording this conversation via the internet and mobile applications. Certainly, our audio capabilities may not be like live recording, but we are doing our best to keep the conditions orderly. Thank you for giving this time to the radio and for the honor of being a guest on the radio. Following the conversations we had earlier about the national team issues, I loudly mentioned your absence and said everywhere that Abbas Mohajer, since I remember, besides being an expert and technical person in his field, has had the greatest merit in trying to teach riders the meaning of advocacy, that if you have a problem or anything, advocate. However, I have seen this reality less in riders, and at least you were a pioneer and perhaps a role model for me in this story. I wanted to ask your permission if I may call you Abbas during the conversation, given the friendship we have and the kindness you have shown me.

Mohsen, I greet you and all the listeners of Radio Chahar Naal. There are two or three points I want to make before we even get into the discussion. First of all, I thank you for being able to do such a good job, and this work is very appropriate, and just as each of us can speak our mind, and God willing, this word will eventually have a listener, and eventually, someone will respond to us because.

All our issues, all our criticisms, and if we also criticize, it is nothing but wanting our country's flag to rise in various sports fields, for this anthem to be played. When this anthem and this flag are played, I certainly place my hand on my heart with pride and laugh from the bottom of my heart that such an event, any criticism we are making, and any question we are asking, unfortunately, they do not answer us just for this reason.

The second thing I wanted to ask you to have during this interview, because I have listened to your other interviews, I expect you not to just agree with everything, wherever you have criticism of my words, tell me, and either I convince you or you convince me, maybe I am wrong, and I say loudly here I apologize if I made a mistake, and be sure that I will do this, and if you are convinced, then we move on to the next topic, a point you mentioned, and then, God willing, we will enter the main discussion.

With pride, I have written all the content on my personal page; I am not looking for fake pages. Recently, I heard some things a few days ago, someone said the page number is from the UAE, the page number is from Istanbul, no, I am not looking for these fake pages, whatever I have to say, I call with a phone number that is in my name, and I have no other phone, I have two or three lines, two of them are from Iran in my name, and one is from the UAE.

We have the authority because now I am somewhat similar to you in sections, and I really have no fear of speaking and criticizing because the issue is not that we are here to destroy or, God forbid, someone is behind the wall.

I do it only because there should be a place to talk instead of talking around the table at home or in the club restaurant, criticizing, and then getting up without a result and going after selling our horse, at least we talk, maybe someone will hear, someone will want to think about these issues, and certainly, that's how it is, I mean we are not supposed to do an interview, we are having a chat, I mean the work we did, now the oral history discussion that I am more of a listener, but the analytical issues are certainly dialogue-centered and.

Abbas, the first question I have for you is what made you want to send your horse to the Asian Games, why did you want to do this, what was your motivation for giving the horse, see I think especially in the past Asian Games we unfortunately missed a very golden opportunity because compared to the previous games at least it was that three or four horses with ownership of riders outside the country like Naghmeh Khanjani, like Ali Azizi, like the horse Farhang Sadeghi.

Or other individuals in connection with myself, see a year ago, well, I worked for about two or three years, prepared, well, I have a rider, the rider is Syrian, rides this horse, last year we entered the field, it was clear for Olympic qualification, three or four years ago it was bought, then it hit the Corona period, then anyway, now the conditions were in my control to be able to prepare for the year's competitions, well, we got a very good result, and from there I was thinking that if here in.

They have worked, done real work, and achieved results, we competed for 27 working days, had 17 clears, 17 faults in the 140 and 145 classes, I was the second charge, it was very good for the height, then I had a proposal that this horse with the rider to the Syrian team.

I do this for my own flag, the business discussion is one thing, the discussion of bringing honor to my country and my own flag is another, not everything is about money, sometimes a person has to work for their country, may I ask a question that others yes yes certainly the price offer that Syria gave you for the horse how much was it can you say if possible allow this.

It was such that they paid all my expenses, paid all my travel expenses, and also paid me something for the rent, this cost was not a small amount, that's why I asked, but well now that yes but we go back to before you know that this is a cliché all the riders who were in this national team story.

A call was made by the equestrian federation, stating that any horse in the initial call, which is quite interesting, must have competed at a height of 150 with under eight faults or eight faults, and the rider must also.

Do you understand that now I had to find a rider to participate under my country's name? Anyway, I'm at an age where I analyze to find the best rider. In a previous interview, I mentioned that I haven't done anything against the law. My principle with these characteristics is that it suits Makarinejad's purpose and his riding. I watched Masoud's films with Confidento several times. I also watched my own films. Physically and in jumping style, it's natural, and Masoud is a rider who, if I put him in this position, I'm sure I'll get a good result.

I called Masoud and said such a call has been made. If you agree, I want to ask you to give me this honor. This is the conversation I had with Masoud, and he rides this horse and prepares for the competitions. But dear Masoud, the story I'm telling you is related to seven months before the Asian Games. Because I planned from the previous season that if I want to enter this field, what should I do? I had given a discussion a rest.

During the rest, yes exactly, on the 21st of Khordad, I told Masoud in this call whatever is needed, the documents you want, tell me to send. Masoud said they want a passport, a consent form, a health test. I think.

24 hours because I had to take it to the hospital and wanted everything to be right. I sent him the passport, consent form, and everything and told him to go register. When it arrived here, I think the 21st of Khordad was the Test Cup competitions on the 20th of Khordad. I got up and came to Iran. On the last day of the competition, Mr. Zandi came, the then supervisor, and I should mention in this parenthesis that I wish our interview was before this supervisory change so that at least these friends wouldn't say we talked behind their backs.

It was before this. Well, now due to technical issues that you and I are aware of, this microphone and sound and these things that you wanted me to announce this technical defect here. I announce the radio's technical defect. Sorry, you worked hard for the job. But well, we were delayed by a week, and the supervision changed, and now I can say Abbas Mohajer is talking behind Zandi. No, I went to Mr. Zandi on the day of the competition and said, sir, I want to talk to you for an hour. He said, please, sir, he hugged us, and we had worked together a lot before.

We had worked a lot at that time and knew each other's moral characteristics, and you must have seen this too. Since Mr. Zandi became the head of the federation, I had no demands from Mr. Zandi himself. Then I would say my words, but it was different from the time of Heidari because I knew Heidari and didn't know him at all for the federation's supervision with the knowledge and things he knew.

He holds the assembly and goes or stays. So we didn't have a discussion together. I went to Mr. Zandi. He said come to me tomorrow at 10 am. As they were leaving the VIP club room, they said see, you said ten, I won't leave this room. At night, friends said no sir, you be there tomorrow morning. I went to him five minutes to 10, and we sat and talked together.

I said if I came here today, I'm just telling you my discussion is about the national team, and it's an opportunity for us to get a good result in these Asian Games. He said how do you say this? I said see now there are four or five riders outside the country. This call that you saw I gave 12 names, and none of them gave a name, and I'm telling you here now the long list that was given and this initial long list pay attention to it dear Mohsen, dear Mr. Ali Azarnia with two horses.

Masoud Makarinejad with one horse, Ms. Naghmeh Khanjani with two horses, Omid Gharibi with two horses, Farhang Sadeghi with one horse. These were in the initial long list. Now why am I emphasizing that you pay attention to the initial? The list was announced by the Iranian federation. Even for Masoud Makarinejad, the number was mistakenly at that time.

We still have time because you have until 5 days later. At that time, when I went, contact Adel Keshavarz too. Anyway, he is also outside the country. I don't know the result now. Contact him too. Mr. Zandi, I can promise you I will close this film for you. The exact words I told Mr. Zandi I will close this film for you and bring this team back with a result between fourth or fifth from the games. I promise you this.

How is the situation, and I would prove this to you. Let's go further, I would prove to you that I didn't just say fourth or fifth. With these four, I said Naghmeh is working. Naghmeh is working hard. If Maqsoud sits on this horse, don't doubt we even go for individual hope. From there, this is not something we go for.

The beginning of the season was better than the end of the season. I told him everything one by one. I said the end of the season results are like the beginning of the season. The beginning is better. Farhang Sadeghi anyway whatever some friends say. He has been jumping here for 20 years. 15 competitions 300 international competition experience I told him Farhang.

Enter quarantine. I will send it there myself. We go to Europe. Masoud gives at least six competitions, and we enter the Asian Games, and even if the number increased, we introduce four or five people there to compete, and we tell them sir you have to jump here. Whatever was better or among these four and.

Mr. be coordinated, but the federation doesn't like a series. We close this at the last moment together. I said okay, I will do whatever is necessary, but let's go this way, we want results now three or four good horses get results. He said okay sir.

Nothing happened. I said I called Masoud what are you doing in the air, you still have nothing, no news. At the same time, I was done. Started with Masoud, for example, I think.

It was late Tir if I'm not mistaken come ride in the UAE for a week check to see what we want to plan to see what to do. He said okay, Mr. Masoud kindly came here. We rode here for four or five days and still not ready. I said no, it will be ready in at least 20 more days. It will be ready in a month because we started jumping two weeks later to go this way. I think I will send you there until the end of September two months.

Be here for a week. The exact words between you and me you did a favor for me to ride. I said no duty and I'm happy. If he said in connection with the costs think because I will pay the costs. I said the costs are very heavy the federation must help us. He said yes I said then go back to Tehran see what the federation does if the federation can even pay half of our costs.

We spent approximately 13,000 euros for the UAE to Europe. There was also 20,000 dollars that we had to pay there for the flight from China, and we said this would eventually cover two months there for you and me to stay, and if my worker wants to stay, these are seven, eight, ten thousand dirhams of our expenses. Then we go to register for the competition, and my expenses are close to 45 to 50 thousand euros. You see what we are doing, what I can do to manage the story. He said okay, we went and.

It was written that the kids informed that Mr. Mohsen Zakeri has been selected as the team leader. Mr. Mohsen Zakeri called me and said that we talked together. Now I don't exactly remember whether I called him or he called me. I said that I have sent all the documents and I have nothing missing. I know my job and I know what to do. He said yes, you have everything. I had even sent the documents of the worker and the group because I had a group here.

To complete, we sent the list of items to Mrs. Norouzmanesh. At that time, the product was sent, and we had no shortage. As we were saying these things, I asked what the cost of these would be. He said we don't think we can pay. I said it's not possible. You finally have the flight from China to there, this is the national Olympic talk.

Masoud called me and said they say we can't. If nothing is supposed to happen, it means we spend two billion and 500 million tomans, what will be added to us? We are going there to do such a thing. Nothing will be added to us. Let's think. You see if they don't want to pay within 24 hours, Masoud, in my opinion, it's better.

UAE, you understand, think about the money, you are originally in Europe. Do you understand what I'm saying? It means you were originally delivering to Europe. Well done, he said okay. Then once Mr. Mahzoon called me. Now I had heard that the name of Daniel Mahmoud has been added to this system. Masoud, I said Masoud dear, is this possible? He said why.

I said the names of Daniel and Ramin Shahabi were also mentioned at that time. It's not possible because these two are not on the list, and they have strictly emphasized that if they weren't, they can't participate. I said I'm saying it for nothing, I'm saying something wrong. I haven't read the law. Daniel called me and said the list of items you are saying can you arrange the list together. My original is different.

He said if the costs are explained well, and so on, my original is here. I, Masoud, if you jump in, won't you be upset? I said no sir, with these conditions, if I don't want to pay, I can't come. Masoud also doesn't say come, but if you say Masoud's costs, you can change it. We still have time to change.

You go into that system, I tell you neither Daniel nor Ramin can. He said Abbas sir, they say it can be done. I said now we sit and watch. Anyway, my brother was there, he was among the officials. I checked three times until they even came.

A list that was sent to the National Olympic Committee from Iran was posted on the pages. This was the list that Iran sent, which included Daniel, but it was not accepted. It means only Naghmeh Khanjani was accepted with this era, you understand. Even Farhang Sadeghi and Ali were there, when they told me money for.

One of the friends, whom I don't want to name now, called me and said are you sure the team is going? I said why, what's up? He said I heard see seven August, that is two months before even saying their team, the National Olympic Committee said it can't go. He said sir, the National Olympic Committee says we haven't approved yet for the riding team to go. What are they saying, we don't give money that hasn't been approved. Well, now I send the horse just to go and come back, I have to pay 500 million tomans.

Even you have its invoice. I paid 10,000 dirhams, 12,000 dirhams for ticket cancellation because 72 hours passed, and they went after their own system. Maqsoud occasionally talked to us and I saw and he was working with that horse and they said I said everything is okay. He said still Daniel can't. You said why? I said I get very upset.

And I heard this that I called if you have done this, I said sir, this is not necessary to tell me.

It reached this point that it surprises. This surprises me, friends all say we are professionals. A week before the last quarantine, the last.

They call me on Wednesday the week before. We want something from you, can you not say no, in the name of God, what happened, put your horse on the plane tomorrow. I said what should I do? I said who pays for its costs? I said we pay for everything. Do you want anything yourself? I said no, what costs do I pay? They said we pay. He said a little, I said okay, now that we pay, before it even moves.

This week it should come, it should be on the air for seven hours, reach, go into quarantine. Now let's assume that there is a flight. It's not a tennis racket, the flight should also be from the UAE to there, then go into quarantine 19, meaning within 10 days, four days, five days, fly 19 hours back.

What can you do sir, the honor of the interview with Masoud Makarinejad, his main job he did himself. This is not an honor, this is a lack of planning. Why didn't you tell me there, I was a worker, I had an ID, my group was there, it has a license for this work, why didn't you tell me there, just send my group, test me, see if I send or not, it was issued, you didn't tell me this is not an honor.

Have the video of applying ointment on a horse in the box, it didn't have supervision, we criticize these, the team management should supervise these things, they should have given the video or a rider who comes out of the field, did well, did poorly, considering the stress we have, we take a live video of it.

What was the narrative, see, now I put this on account of our feeling of being Iranian and frankly, we Iranians generally have an emotional surge at the moment that now maybe if I were in Morteza's place at that moment, for example, I would go to see, of course, that Mohsen Zakeri does this as the leader.

I see this flaw elsewhere because we don't have something called a public relations manager, we didn't have a specialized journalist in the federation to send there, sending with three riders with two groups, you know, well, naturally everything was chaotic, and we practically just followed us, we were there, we all know this, now let's say it's okay, we went, I say this as someone who is talking to you that sir, now the team leader shouldn't do this, well, I say sir, at least I defend Mohsen Zaki from him, well.

He handled and took it, but your point is logical, the people sitting behind the bank counter, you saw if it's crowded, now that they didn't give my mom's number in the banks, if a thousand people stand over him, he puts his head down, counts one by one, it's impossible to get confused and take money from two people at the same time because you understand in the end.

Management and supervision must be aware of its presence in Syria, as you understand, as an Olympic qualifier, I introduced Mohsen in seven competitions. He knows, you understand, but sports team supervision is different, especially when we say we could achieve the best result after a long time.

Is it possible not to ride his horse for three months and jump in the German team? Certainly not, we don't have such a thing, sir, we don't have it. Your rider, your rider, two and a half months apart, isn't it, Omid?

The best result, and certainly the friends who brought this disaster upon the team, did it intentionally and because of their stubbornness and opinions with us, and they got the worst result. God above...

Let's go back, why don't we reach that consensus? We haven't reached it all these years, and maybe we won't reach it later. Anyway, my dear friend was Raqsan Rad, I learned work from him, but I didn't have the honor of direct apprenticeship in course design.

We might have a difference in taste in parkour arrangement. I have a handwriting because he is my friend, I gave an example, and I apologize to him a lot, but in the end, we reach a result. That is, the words that, considering our experiences and the knowledge we have from here and there, we reach a result. But with some friends, sitting in this four walls, it's not even a matter of disagreement anymore.

What's up with the wall? I think in general, equestrian sports, meaning the horse industry in Iran, for several years now, at least I myself have been in this profession for 22 years, has fallen victim to power struggles. I say this with absolute certainty. That is, if anyone now objects to my words, I say, sir, it's okay, we sit in front of each other and discuss the program. No, I actually agree, I agree, because if at any time I work, I might not work myself. So much so, neither bad nor bad, I doubted them, they with me, you understand? The opposite.

Let's express our disagreements, express our differences in taste, but let's get on track. Well, we always say, unfortunately, at least in riding, I have seen it firsthand, we don't reach that consensus. Why? Because we personalize the issue.

He ruins it in any way, his voice, his image, it's my way of speaking. If there is criticism, it's to Radio Charl, if Mohsen Pour Heydari, I say loudly here, has worked badly with his student, for example, thrown a horse to someone, for any reason, it has nothing to do with Radio 4, the federation has nothing to do with it, sir Mohsen. Now let me tell you something interesting, now because we don't stray too far, then we go back to say that even I want to say the friends in the federation didn't know the work. Why? If necessary, I won't name names here, but another team from other countries.

His rider wasn't on the long list but managed to jump in the game, adding, lobbying, in fact, understanding proving that this rider can't come. If they wanted, they didn't even tell us that they wanted help, otherwise, we would have helped. Yes, it's an asset, sir, we put our lives into it, well.

So we could have helped you, but you wanted to do it with this situation. Look, this planning, I tell you clearly that there was nothing in it. We all thought today, finally, at the last moment, we will fix it, Iranian style, yes.

I said, sir, he has competed 300 times, finally has the experience of presence, his color doesn't fade, well. Then the Asian Games, where the rider is sent to gain experience, isn't it? No, why was it successful, because he had given up three months of his life.

His work is valuable, he had given up his life, given up everything, participated in all those competitions, now he had thrown two, made mistakes, won prizes, didn't succeed. But he went with motivation and with a correct work. The same work we were doing to go two months before. Baba Naghmeh CSI jumped into the Valkenswaard arena, I mean, it's not a joke, really, yes.

Masoud didn't have a worker, this lack of planning, this wrong planning. He didn't have a worker, this is not art. Some coaches sometimes wanted their student to compete a lot.

Another opportunity for him, for example, Masoud will jump in competitions for another 50 years, well, but this condition might not have happened for him to send a mosque without a worker. Then next to the team, what reinforcement thing, I really have a question, really, this question for me.

The UAE is very logical, isn't it? I even told Mohsen in an interview, I said that you, as a supervisor, could have taken their mobile phones and really should have done this if you wanted to buy peace. Mohsen dear, Mohsen dear.

At that time, I was very upset to mention this time, but well, finally, when we were working with Mr. Heydari in the federation, it was decided to take three teenagers to South Korea. If you remember, three young people, yes, Mr. Davood Davood Pour Rezaei, Mohammad Nejad, Zahram Vojdani were our three young people. National teams were selected in the competitions over there, and Alaleh Charchian, Septo Mohajer, and if I'm not mistaken, Hossein Vafaei.

We put judging until we had a fitness class for them, we took their body condition to check. Then they went to camp for a month, they went to camp every day. We got a fitness coach for them, and the last thing I did, I told Mr. Heydari, sir, I have to change the kids' sleep. Sorry, what should we do? I said because South Korea is ahead of us, I have to take these kids in a way that they sleep at four in the afternoon for the last three nights and wake up fresh.

I worked hard, did you become the supervisor there? No, I was helping you because I had given the name Babak as the supervisor. Alireza was our beautiful coach, but from Mr. I do all his work. Well, see, this is how the team is selected, meaning the team must become a team. Even on that trip, when Mr. Shahchian wanted to come, I said, please go, but try not to have the kids in your room, be in their own system. Now they were still kids, parents in some competitions.

He competed at night, maybe something happened, it's very natural, whether happiness or unhappiness, husband and wife fall on the rider's nerves tomorrow.

There was no supervision, and we should have thought more about this selection. Now, according to Abbas, do you mean to say, sir, this condition that has happened for whatever reason, Mohsen Zakeri has been largely responsible for this story. I mean no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Mohsen Zakeri who couldn't jump with a horse or a horse.

I don't want to say this at all, but I want to say this combination from the original three-person combination and that supervision has been completely unplanned, only Naghmeh Khanjani was sitting in the right place, Masoud was not suitable in the original, and the third person, in my opinion, was not ready to enter this team. Now the supervisor also couldn't gather the supervision, causing us such a result.

I am doing quarantine. I tell you, my dear Maziar, as long as we are under sanctions, as long as all these events are happening, the issue of this quarantine will not be resolved. In some cases, we might go to Azerbaijan, our friend might be there, or in some cases, we might be able to go to Doha under very special conditions.

The plane to Riyadh is next to Saudi Arabia, which is another clean country. Now it cannot come directly from Saudi Arabia to the UAE. I mean, if we wanted, we could do this because there were four or five very good competitions. I can take it from here to the UAE.

Of course, Master Babak Shaki, in one of the conversations I had with him, which I did not broadcast, said about the story of quarantine and travels that we are not at that level in terms of disease, and it has more political reasons. I practically mentioned in my talk to you that this quarantine discussion will happen more for us Iranians whenever the sanctions are resolved, God willing. We hope to have friendly relations with countries and solve our sanctions.

The previous federation could not take us to Europe. No question from Europe, it had nothing to do with China at all. It was related to the international convention. So they come and say someone went and said I negotiated. When they told me someone negotiated, it was a year ago.

No, no, each of these events that happened, if changed. From the first day, I said you can change the horse, don't worry at all.

Yes, there the law speaks. That's the reality. Now we keep coming and saying they did it this way, they did it that way. Someone emailed the world federation not to accept it. If I and people like me have heard, I am saying.

Let's email the world federation so that your team doesn't go. If we could, we would have done many other things. If Shahrokh Moghadam could speak next to the head of the National Olympic Committee to not give the team a permit, why would he want to do this from that guy? What are these words? Your work was flawed, the program was wrong, we didn't know the rules. Why not proceed according to the law? That's what we are saying. You are just throwing the ball into the next field.

I see that was it.

You didn't know the rules, your planning was wrong, and it caused this result. With these three points, this federation could have achieved better results. Let me say one point, now considering that it was announced in the news that the team is not going.

They really worked hard, and the situation where now fake pages are created and these words that I now connect to it until people like you, the elders and veterans, allow it, some people come and create fake pages and contradict. Because, to be blunt, there is no consensus among us. I mean, I don't want to put myself in front of you, but now, for example, you are in the same class and period as you, and maybe your handwriting is very different from yours.

But the bottom line is that you are professional enough to come up with a common word so that we can treat the common pain. Regarding the fact that now the team didn't go, it was canceled again a week before, these stories. I, who was closely watching the news and knew what the situation was, the story is that.

At least here, I really have to thank Mr. Zandi. Regardless of all these discussions, we know the lack of planning and disorder. After all, we all know we are living in Iran. When all issues are resolved with compromise or, as we say, we send a blessing, we forget. Naturally, we know this part that we have this disorder, not just now that the national team is also in its internal competitions. But I really want to say with all those events that happened, Reza as the head of the federation.

There, at least, he proved that, sir, wait, I love your words. Thank you very much for mentioning it here. Reza Zandi undoubtedly had 48 hours of tumult, 72 hours of horror. Because I knew from behind what conditions he went with, hour by hour news.

He had 48 hours of tumult, 48 hours that maybe not everyone can endure the pressure. He was on the verge of a stroke, poor guy, and went to collect work with lobbying and friends he had and no doubt did a very big job. Because if but again I return to.

Sir, this investment, this potential should have been used much better. My friends deceived Zandi. I don't want to say it like this. My friends deceived Zandi, otherwise, I wouldn't have forced Zandi to go and become a candidate in the world federation. They knew that the head cannot become, he cannot participate in the elections at all. Why did you do this to Mr. Zandi? Why did you unnecessarily bother him?

Get a permit, you would have used this potential elsewhere to get money. You got the money, but the team would have gone better. Then don't come and sit down, we paid for everyone's camp. Ask Masoud and Danial and these guys if they paid or not? Sir, they say Naghmeh, who I still don't know until 20 days ago, said she got nothing. They didn't give money. I still haven't succeeded in talking to Naqd.

And I hope to find him and talk to him, hear Naghmeh's story. Because now I don't care about the result, which was honestly a good result, but if they had let us go forward with a program. Sir, we didn't ask you for anything, we said just pay the ticket from Germany to China. In the end, we had reached this point, we would arrange it. I will go and get a loan, Hossein sponsor.

I messaged Mr. Zandi for ten days straight, sir, I found a sponsor here. Are you ready to send me a contract to become the team's sponsor? He didn't answer me. Before they said the team is not going yet. It's on WhatsApp. I have it, that's what's happening. I have no doubt Reza Zandi worked hard but sir this effort all of me Mohsen dear you say what are fake pages? All these coaches trained, kept classes.

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Masoud and Maziar and Faramarz really worked hard. I mean, they really tried hard but well something. Yes, now the story is something that we have a thousand riders, at least 500 of them have official certificates. You say pages think the guy has a certificate. This effort has been made for the classes. After all, sending coaches to the county but this effort is good effort or bad effort.

We also did the result with Maziar regarding now the coaching discussion that you yourself also listened to. Unfortunately, this is due to the wrong policies of the previous federations that if necessary, I will personally talk about it in detail and had criticism, equestrianism has been concentrated in Tehran and the general policies of equestrianism. I mean, the potentials you see in the county, that enthusiasm that someone in the county has for learning.

But well, this effort has not been there. Even in Tehran, I mean the clubs that you certainly worked with, you know better than me. You see people who are class coaches who.

The psychology test does not come out the same as the external test. I write and sign this. This is a very fundamental issue. It means that we do not have a common reference for our education. Now, for example, the kids came and standardized some styles and methods, as Maziar says, but we do not have a reference, and unfortunately, our big flaw is that we want to reinvent the wheel. Well done, see, I am saying now that sometimes we turn, it does not matter at all. Certainly, the main discussion is not just about you and me talking about national team competitions. You, as a veteran, as an expert who has managed a club, coached, and competed, definitely have an opinion.

He worked very hard. I know this person. I worked with him for two years. He is a very hardworking individual and continues to work. He is knowledgeable and aware. He entrusted himself to two or three people who, in my opinion, did not guide him correctly, and Reza Zandi wasted his potential. Truly a pity. Yes, 72 hours.

What does it mean to send him individually? The film does not go. I storied this. Yes, sir, finally, whether right or wrong.

If I were there, considering these conditions, but if considering the team's conditions, they might have said let it be a good thing not to go from the twelfth to the eleventh. I even think if he had reached his horse earlier in Europe.

Certainly, his results would have been better, but I am asking this question, is it possible? Did you want to surprise? Is it possible at all, which area does it hit? So what is the role of the head coach for? I am asking. They have to decide these things. Isn't that right? You know the mental default was that sir, let's go no matter what. I feel what price, my dear Mohsen. I want to change the blood at what price.

Really Mohsen, I am asking you this question. Our equestrian merit, see when you understand in football when you go and lose three to zero, sir, you lost. Five years later, only the memory of how well we played remains. Isn't that right? No, that's not the reality. In sports, it means the next period.

One of our negatives is if the National Olympic Committee wants me to take a team, take the previous grade team next year. Look, if the UAE, for example, bought five horses for the Olympic team because they qualified for the Olympics. Five horses that they did not go, a budget came, bought five, close to 15 million euros, they name it, they go, jump, and return. Then again, in the name of that government.

Or in the discussion of Saudi Arabia, now the discussion of European sponsors is different. The rider is put at his disposal, or for example, someone there opens the market again, the Olympic difference is the same for us too. Asian toys are not just thrown into the market, which I am saying these costs are heavy, and really, in my opinion, a group or one person cannot just invest, buy a horse, and put it at China's disposal. You understand.

If such a thing is supposed to happen at a time when everything is correct, meaning the federation is correct, our planning is correct, a group of them should come together, an economic justification should be made for them, each of them should put it there as an investment when their economic justification is also correct for them, you understand, it goes this.

From this fund that has been created, a horse should be bought, put at the disposal of four good ones, its grade one, put in the competition. Transparency yes, otherwise, even now I want to say sir, they say that a money we heard a little from the National Olympic Committee for taking it, they say two sponsors say we none of them, I also heard why transparent.

The federation is a joint-stock company for you and me because we pay membership fees, don't we? Yes, so it is a joint-stock company, isn't it? So it should answer us regarding payments and receipts, why don't they give a villa, of course, it has nothing to do with the last year, no no no, in general, sir, see first Mohsen dear, let me tell you something. I see the previous federation in two phases. One phase because I think if I am not mistaken, Mr. Khalili was there for eight years, right, yes, one phase I see a six-year phase, one phase a two-year phase.

When it was very interesting, let me tell you this too, when I criticized, I wanted to talk to Mr. Khalili, you definitely know the story, when we went and talked, everyone said it was good, you made it with him, when you go and protest, you talk, I tell you this, you don't talk, they say you are his supporter, when it is that way, they say I myself had criticism, I say my criticism a lot, but I see a six-year phase and a two-year phase, in the last two years, some things found differences.

When the knife reached the bone, while really, that is, all our work has reached exactly, but well, he now, he also now realized some stories, is it possible for someone to say that no one made any mistake, God.

We say now sir, we made a mistake in this Asian game, don't say we did well, say the kids worked hard, the fault was ours that we got this result, otherwise everyone in their own framework worked hard, I say Masoud did a miracle, Masoud Nagmeh did magic.

This is the most optimistic state. Now Abbas from the question of the way out of this issue because I always criticized well, let's give a solution, the way out yes, see now well now something has fallen, it has started now.

Understanding the story, they take pictures, they come here, they compete, maybe ten competitions also become nothing, but they are adding their experience. Two people go to Europe, jump anyway, in the end, we again four years later, who has a horse outside, who has results outside the country, but from whom from a year before, from two years before, send us results like this so that we can because until now that I am talking here, nothing happens for us inside, we are a one-way highway that enters, unfortunately, does not return.

These riders that I see, for example, I say now Ali has a horse here, he is doing his activity, he is working for himself, he competes, one day he gets results, one day he has an example, he has experience in competitions.

Adel Keshavarzi jumps, you understand, Farhang Sadeghi jumps somewhere, you understand, we have to see four years later, it was good, send it, it was not, sir, we should not send it, this is the superior result, its event, that federation should not think that two people want to go to China, we send a team, there is no way at present, that is, I thought a lot, we cannot find any other solution for this work, yes unfortunately.

Many of the kids who are now doing this work, encourage their sponsor a little or you can define a business process, stay there now, for example, a year is calculated, let me say frankly, sir, in Europe, the cost is 500 euros per month.

25 million tomans right now in Iran, considering the other rates, really jump or work very professionally cleanly, their monthly cost is 30-35 million tomans, and Tehran gives 5, well make it 50 million, 15 million is really a joke for many owners. Sir, send this six months or a year before, for example, the Asian competitions to a political place or anything good, or even in the European competitions, league competitions, something.

Practically, it doesn't differ from Tehran in terms of cost. Sir, put it there, and the reality is that I saw this in the children's riding discussion. Our children come here at 150, chasing each other. Iranian children are not simple parks at all. Mohsen, let me tell you something interesting.

A point we have, I have no doubt, no doubt, at a height of 145, now I don't care about the registration list, which is 70 people, but we have 20, twenty-two, three riders in this category easily. You understand, it's real, I'm real, but this point is entirely on ourselves, this main price that has come to Iran, think about how much also 250.

A few cases may not be Asian, yes, it is precisely clear that it is for play, otherwise, no one is crazy, goes here, a million euros, doesn't know, the coach doesn't know. That our riders have very high capabilities, no one can deny the capabilities of Darouyi, no one can deny the capabilities of Abolfazl Mohammadreza.

No one can deny Mahmoud, and now we have all the friends Ramin Shahabi, who are 145 riders, and we have between 10 to 12 riders who are riders. I am telling you on principles that they register, something that can come out clean from the park. This guidance is not a little for our country. It is a good efficiency considering the limitations we have.

We have a lot of officials with high ranks in terms of riding. Now that these friends have this mindset, they can finally do this mix. You understand, that is, from among these top riders of ours, they go to Europe, have a horse, this becomes the utopia that they have a horse, someone comes behind them, and they themselves get better prepared for the Asian Games naturally. Just let me tell these friends one point, if you go to the Asian Games and get a good result.

Know that in the future, your coaching, in the future, your riding, and in your professional future, just as when a rider goes to the Olympics, becomes a rider, sorry if he was getting 100 dollars a minute, now it becomes 15 minutes. If we create this motivation, the precision of talking, someone sits in the riders, we create this motivation, that this mindset falls, it goes through a hard time for a while, but if it falls on the roller, surely also.

Let me tell you something interesting about the riding roller. I am sure the kids who are jumping in Iran now, well, we have a major problem, unfortunately, in international competitions, that is, our kids in Iran at 150 are chasing each other, doing top riding, a person enjoys it, really a few of them are riding samples, but foreign competitions, that is, we go into another atmosphere, I might boldly say 40 percent of the ability decreases, why because they have not lived in that environment constantly.

Well, and on the other hand, one very important thing that maybe our kids don't consider, and you know better than me, many owners are in Europe who now have expensive ones, instead of coming and paying the horse cost with a rider who knows the capability, all his costs are half, our prize is also half, half, but there, Abbas dear, they don't bring a 250 thousand euro horse to get a 20 million, 25 million prize, yes, yes, yes, exactly, exactly, kids, for example, I say keep it in Europe, get a prize of 5 thousand euros a month, well, it's worked for three months in Tehran, yes.

It can happen much more easily for him, yes, you understand, the young one hasn't yet formed that life for him, his social form, not that he doesn't have it, but it hasn't formed, he can go and do this work himself, but I hope this professional young generation of ours for the future of our country, you understand.

Plan for this work, consult with those who have experience in this work, and do this because the reality of the matter is that we have to go in this direction if we want to sit again and say, sir, they take us abroad, four years later, at the last moment, we have to take Hassan and Hossein, no result, we have to do two parallel plannings for this work, it happened, it happened, this side has to be done alongside it, and this mindset has to fall among the kids so that they can in competitions because yes, you one.

I became one 10, 12 years ago, I was working in the mansion, I only became two, then I became three, and these, but why did my experience go up, in one season here, suddenly I work with seven of the world's top ones, whereas in Europe, if I am in the region for two years, maybe with one of these, only why it has a reason because here, for example, I say, the competition now brings the charger competition.

It happens, there are four or five clubs, Alborzan, Al Ain, Abu Zayd, they take the show from the federation, they take the city show, well, they take the show, for example, it has a charge, for example, two, for example, its own competition, each of them has its own planning system, that is, the organization belongs to the same club.

Ali Mohajer is in all competitions, you understand, but.

We have the competition in the Emirates, last year we had 10 to 11, this year we have 15 internationals, from last week that started to the middle of the month, we have close to 15 internationals from the start with three four-star and two five-star, and now these bring the top ones from next week, for example, Uliano has, the week that one has, this one has, that is, it has.

The world, when I was working here ten years ago, it was a very good experience for me, you understand, now I want to reach here, last year when I was coaching alongside this one in the field and I had taken them there, I was also learning work, I changed the way of warming up, that is, I analyze, I had seen it before, but here, considering the knowledge, I changed the way, thank God, our week, the first competition in Star Al, we were fourth.

The coach as a course designer naturally for my rider when he comes and jumps once next to me here, understands next to jumps, the difference makes a difference for him, you might go in Europe in the region, jump three, see two world-class riders there, but here in a season suddenly.

I am very happy that we talked a little today, we talked about these things together, if there is any other question, I am at your service, no, the reality is that at first, thank you for taking the time and.

Now I didn't have coordination because I had a bit of a technical issue with my microphone system, I had to fix it, now I hope we are recording now, an Esteghlali listens, an Esteghlali never has a technical issue, I am a Persepolisi, thank you for really taking the time, and here I must thank Ms. Fariba Adeli for some coordination because I promised her I would mention her name in the interview, Mohsen, keep doing what you are doing, God willing, keep it up.

And keep moving forward in this direction, I say these talks, God willing, my personal goal is to find a listening ear, I said at the time of Mr. Khalili's criticism, just the fact that Mr. Khalili came and interviewed me, I won, I built with this, I closed with him in every way, but just the fact that Mr. Khalili came as the head of the federation, sat in front of me and answered, I consider myself a winner in that game, which maybe many managers, many heads don't do this, you understand, I might not be present, so this is the general discussion, I am very grateful to you.

We have no enmity with anyone and will not have, and only friends should not think I defended the country, I also went, I also went to the places you went, you understand, I also love this country and only and only and only it is important for me that my anthem is played and I proudly raise it high, thank you, so everything we are saying is just for this and.

If you have a personal problem with Abbas Mohajer anywhere, but maybe the program Abbas Mohajer presents is correct, do it. Not through Abbas, but review and analyze the program. If it was wrong, don't do it, but if it was right, don't be hostile. If they listened to us, I say without a doubt, based on experience, now who raises their head higher, it is this federation that had passed the ministers. We were doing something, the goal is important, and to achieve this goal, planning is definitely necessary.

You know I never held a competition without a plan. So two or three months before, I knew what I wanted on what date, and interestingly, I always had a whiteboard where all these things were written, from zero to a hundred of the competition. This Ramin Abrishami was with us for a few competitions, he knows what I am saying. You have to go with a plan. When I started the radio, many came and said, sir, you are creating enemies and doing this and that. I said don't make a mistake, I am just a person who has concerns and unfortunately or fortunately, I can't pass by issues silently.

So far, no one has entered this system from this angle. Now the discussion of veterans and oral history, many of God's servants have been neglected. I really talked to a few people now, went to their homes, and you see that regret and feeling of remorse that sir, for example, I spent 60 years of my life and broke all the bones of my body, no one knocks on my door to ask how I am. You were talking to Davood Bahrami, well, when I was there, I mean I was at the club after the colonel, I mean in the middle of the road.

I was a student of Davood Bahrami and well, I really enjoyed it. Look, even now, there are two or three old-timers here, I tell you clearly, when Davood Bahrami and Iranian equestrianism are mentioned, he says a rider sits, Davood Bahrami speaks of the pride of Iran still.

Yes, exactly yes, I had the honor of being his student for a year and I proudly raise my head and explain this. This is really Davood Bahrami. I was very happy to hear his voice because I really like Davood personally, but I was very happy to hear his voice. God willing, he, his wife, and his children are always well and happy. This is also a parenthesis, God willing, and the reality is that instead of talking at home, we finally talk in cafes.

I provide a platform to talk and express our opinions. Because I say until we have the correct problem statement, we will not reach the correct answer, and the problem statement must be said by an expert. Abbas Jamshidani, Masoud, and now a thousand names, all of whom are as big as themselves, skilled, and can draw a roadmap.

Give me more success to take it forward and in the end, if I, Mohsen, only influence five people, produce, think, sit and think and change their process. I finished it on the radio. Now, God willing, these talks, as you say, even if it shakes one person, and we can think about it and maybe get a better result in the future. It is certainly so. Really, God willing, this will happen. Another thing that I have been hearing a lot lately, master, master in all fields. In my opinion.

The master of riding in Iran has been Shaki Khan, Neshati, Asaf Jan, and Mobasheri from my personal point of view with respect to all my dear friends, you understand, when you use a word, a series of factors have a semantic load next to it, and please yes, pay attention to this point. I do not mean to disrespect anyone, but this word of mastery, in my opinion, fits Shaki Khan, fits Neshati, fits Asaf Jan, fits Mobasherin. Do you understand what I am saying, who is the founder?

I hear a lot about principles in equestrian sports that God willing, one day it will come that everyone has the courage to speak their words on their own page, not a thought page, not something we can analyze, we can reach the goal. With fake pages, no goal.

Whether they are my supporters or not, whether they insult, with a fake page, we reach no result. A person who has a conscience, has honor, and has self-confidence, in his own name, thank you. Thank you for taking this time. Thank you. God willing, wherever you are, be healthy and we can use your experiences. I learned a lot from this conversation that you always had that demand for me, the start of presenting Radio Charnal was that dear Abbas taught me that sir, demanding is very good and God willing, wherever you are, be healthy and God be with you.

Thank you very much, I am very grateful to my dear listeners for the pain. Thank you very much. Goodbye. I hope you were satisfied with listening to this episode. All the dear ones whose names are mentioned during the interview and are interested in talking about these issues.

Radio Charnal will be at the service of those dear ones with great honor. I hope by raising these issues we help build a better future for all friends in Iran. Until the next episode, I entrust all of you dear ones to the great God. May God be with you and protect you. Also, take care of your horses.

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